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re: Alex Bregman Triple A Debut

Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:03 am to
Posted by cheo25
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:03 am to
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Astros are conservative about bringing up prospects yet you cite them bringing up a 20 yr old last year as an example?


Correa had been in the minors for three years because he was 17 when he was drafted. Waiting for three years to call up a No. 1 overall draft pick is the definition of "conservative." Don't focus on his age, focus on how long he's been in the minors. When the Astros put someone in the big leagues within a year of drafting him, like they did Craig Biggio in 1988, or when they put someone in the bigs without time in the minors, like the Braves did with Bob Horner in 1978, then Bregman-to-the-bigs-this-moment will have more legs.

Correa No. 1 pick in 2012 draft

And, of course, the Astros GM is quoted as saying they're not worried about calling up Bregman right now. Also, go back and read what I said in my previous post. There are financial incentives for the Astros to keep Bregman in the minors until next season that deal with delaying his arbitration and free agency down the road. And the Astros have been financially conservative since this ownership group took over. Money is always a big consideration for them. No big offseason free-agency purchases. They're 24th in MLB payroll this year.

From May 2015: Astros can't afford to delay Correa's promotion

2016 MLB Team Payroll

I know that breaks the hearts of the LSU baseball homers on this board, but it just shows your ignorance when it comes to Major League Baseball.

I can't wait to see Bregman in an Astros uniform, too, and, it's possible, but doubtful he comes up in September. I'm realistic and I don't look at the world through purple-and-gold lenses. I'm sorry reality conflicts with the narrative that Alex Bregman should be in the bigs now because he's an LSU star.

There's more to life than LSU sports, and amazingly, the rest of the world doesn't look at sports from an LSU viewpoint. Get out in the world more and especially learn more about MLB, asshats.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 9:21 am
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278287 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:24 am to
if he keeps hitting like this in AAA he'll be up before the end of july
Posted by cheo25
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
984 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:47 am to
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if he keeps hitting like this in AAA he'll be up before the end of july


Nope. There are financial reasons for him to stay down. MLB is not always a meritocracy and just because a guy tears up the minors doesn't mean he'll be up immediately after that. Go back and read the helpful links posted above.

He's gonna have to learn a new position before he gets to Houston because he's only played a handful of games at 3B in the minors and he's not playing at SS (Carlos Correa) or 2B (Jose Altuve). So he's gonna learn a new position and dominate in the majors all at once? Got it.

If he comes up with the Astros at all in 2016, it will be in September when the rosters expand to 40. If he's in the big leagues before that, it's because he got traded on or a few days before the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline (educate yourself on that phrase and get back to me about an MLB discussion), which is a possibility if the Astros are still in the wild-card race and they go after an impact big-league player.

But keep deluding yourself, which shouldn't be hard since you list yourself as a Cubs fan.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 9:58 am
Posted by Broham
Crowley
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 10:06 am to
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If he comes up with the Astros at all in 2016, it will be in September when the rosters expand to 40

This
Posted by cheo25
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
984 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 10:14 am to
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If he comes up with the Astros at all in 2016, it will be in September when the rosters expand to 40


quote:

This


Finally! Someone who gets it.

And even then, I'm not sure it happens then if he's in the Houston organization because the Astros have financial incentive not to bring him up this year.

Whether Bregman comes up with the Astros is not just about Bregman, it's about how he fits within the organization's needs. That's the point I've been trying to make.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 10:17 am
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27802 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 10:27 am to
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Get out in the world more and especially learn more about MLB

You should take your own advice.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 10:30 am to
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Finally! Someone who gets it.


Everyone gets it. What you don't get, is Luis Valbuena is having a career year...and he's still extremely average. So let's say Bregs keeps crushing AAA and Valbuena hits .200 the 2nd half instead of .260 so his average will be around his lifetime average. Because of this, the Stros start to fall a little and now they're 4-5 games back of the wild card. So you're telling me, the organization would risk a TON of playoff money, a possible World Series, just to save one player a year of control? They made the playoffs last year. They're good enough to compete and make a run this year. Not ALL GM's just want to keep player control, and not all situations are alike.

The Stros want to win NOW. They're good enough. They have a couple of empty spots in their lineup and Bregman would not only fill in, he would thrive. If Bregman bats .300 over the course of the next month and adds several homers and gap to gap ability...there is no chance...NO CHANCE the Stros don't call him up unless they're several games ahead in the Wildcard.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278287 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 10:32 am to
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There are financial reasons for him to stay down.



tell us more about this. What are the financial reasons?


quote:


He's gonna have to learn a new position before he gets to Houston because he's only played a handful of games at 3B in the minors and he's not playing at SS (Carlos Correa) or 2B (Jose Altuve). So he's gonna learn a new position and dominate in the majors all at once? Got it.


There's this thing in the American league called the DH.

And you can also credit Bregman for being a really good athlete. It's not out of the realm for him to come up and play 3B or even the OF if they need him too. Kris Bryant didnt play any OF in the minor leagues, yet played every OF position for the Cubs as a rookie, as well as 1B.

This isnt the 1980's baseball. Teams are creative. If Bregman continues to hit at this clip (309/425/578), the Astros arent going to hold him down to September while they are trying to get back into the playoff race. Now if he starts to get overmatched at AAA, then sure. But his audition has gone quite well through 4 games.

The Astros are at a point now where there is enough season left to where he isnt a complete waste.They are way past the date where this would count as a full service year, so bringing up Bregman sooner than later could be worth it.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 11:45 am
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94449 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 10:55 am to
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Correa had been in the minors for three years because he was 17 when he was drafted. Waiting for three years to call up a No. 1 overall draft pick is the definition of "conservative." When the Astros put someone in the big leagues within a year of drafting him



Are you serious?


2015 Dansby Swanson: Currently in AA
2014 Brady Aiken: did not sign
2013 Mark Appel: Currently in AAA (injured for the season)
2012 Carlos Correa: Debuted in 2015
2011 Gerrit Cole: Debuted in 2013
2010 Bryce Harper: Debuted in 2012
2009 Stephen Strasburg: Debuted in 2010
2008 Tim Beckham: Debuted in 2013
2007 David Price: Debuted in 2008
2006 Luke Hochevar: Debuted in 2007
2005 Justin Upton: Debuted in 2007
2004 Matt Bush: Debuted in 2016
2003 Delman Young: Debuted in 2006
2002 Bryan Bullington: Debuted in 2005
2001 Joe Mauer: Debuted in 2004
2000 Adrian Gonzalez: Debuted in 2004



3 guys on this list made it to the majors the next yearand they were all college pitchers. Most hitters take 2 to 3 years to adjust. Correa also suffered an injury that ended his season in 2014.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27802 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:01 am to
Sorry, that guy knows how players can still be traded after July 31st and what Jose Cruz's nickname/number was. His understanding of the game is obviously on a level most of us can't even imagine.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94449 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:08 am to
Forrest Whitley would really help our rotation down the stretch this year. Guy has a heater that nobody else in this staff has. What's Luhnow waiting on?
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
10697 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:30 am to
Call his arse up now
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31828 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:32 am to
No
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
10697 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:33 am to
Yes
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
93704 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:36 am to
I can't believe there's a possibility that they are going to trade him by this years deadline.

I also can't believe I agree with LE
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 11:37 am
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
10697 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:38 am to
Well they better win today, and please leave Sipp in the pen FOREVER
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278287 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 11:52 am to
Yea they aren't trading him. If they had any notion of dealing him, they leave him in AA and let him continue to rake and keep his value as high as possible.

Yet they throw him in AAA against MLB level pitching to test him to see if he is ready for the bigs.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27802 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 12:02 pm to
Before this season I wouldn't have been surprised if they traded him, but I don't think anyone expected this kind of power. It has put him in one of the highest prospect tiers imp. They'll hold onto him and figure out where he'll play this offseason.
Posted by Tigahs1977
Member since Feb 2016
1073 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 12:08 pm to
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Most hitters take 2 to 3 years to adjust


Something you failed to make mention of is every guy on that list minus Swanson (and Harper although he was the age of a highschoolers when drafted out of JC because of circumventing the draft laws by getting his GED and going to JUCO) was drafted out of HIGHSCHOOL and those are number 1 picks not including the best collegiate pure hitters drafted recently. So of course they took 3+ years to adjust. Bregman, Schwarber, Conforto, Turner, etc all were top hitters in the country. 3 of those 4 made their MLB debut after less than 2 seasons in the minors. It's not always about service time. If the kid can help them they'll call them up. Super two doesnt come into affect as long as the player hasn't accumulated more than 2 years and about 150 days of major league service at the end of the season, they won't be treated as a 3rd year player which then increases their earnings because they get more years of arbitration thus making their salary and earnings much higher. That's why kris Bryant stayed down all through 2014 and then middle of April the next year before his debut. It delays their clock, so he's under team control one more year, but there's other things they can do to make sure they don't exceed that 2.150 like sending them down for short periods, waiting a couple weeks each season to call them up (see Washington Nationals Joe Ross this year who missed his first 3 times through the rotation so his clock wouldn't restart yet). There's plenty more that goes into it than just financial and free agency and if he can help them make a playoff push A LA Michael Conforto with the mets last year, they will call him up.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278287 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 12:33 pm to
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That's why kris Bryant stayed down all through 2014



that and because the Cubs sucked too. had they been contenders he would have been up in early April just like he was the next year

Just like Schwarber forced them to call him up in 2015. It took him 17 games of raking at AAA before the Cubs called him up. If Bregman keeps hitting look for him to come up after 15-20 AAA games
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 12:34 pm
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