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re: after this I’ll shutup about the RPI. when does the 5 seed get to have an RPI of 22? A&M
Posted on 5/31/22 at 7:43 am to BayouPride
Posted on 5/31/22 at 7:43 am to BayouPride
Making A&M a national seed was actually a great example of them looking simply beyond the RPI number of each team. Problem is they don't do things like that enough (hence ECU getting a top 8 seed).
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:29 am to TigerCub
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Making A&M a national seed was actually a great example of them looking simply beyond the RPI
agreed. At some point however the committee just bailed on looking at conference record and decided before beers that RPI is the ticket. A&M gets to laugh like Nelson on the Simpsons "ha ha" at Arkansas and LSU, but I want it out in the open that their RPI is 22...for the number 5 national seed. So the first time Kenny and Aaron from D1 Baseball get asked about a particular team and respond with "well their RPI...". I want this discrepancy thrown back in their face. A&M I guess is too busy riding their high horse to admit out loud that the metric that sank LSU somehow had no effect on them. Any other teams ranked in the RPI around 22 sniffing a top 8 national seed? I don't think so. A&M got the RPI-oh-well treatment, and on this board at least this fact is not lost on us.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:26 am to GRIZZ
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Blame NM State and Missouri State. Neither of those teams were expected to win their conference tourney. It does suck for NCState, but who are you gonna remove in place of them
Any of the last 4 in. RPI was the gold standard for Florida and Auburn hosting, NC State had a higher RPI than any of the last 4 in. In some cases a MUCH higher RPI. They also had a better conference record than Ole Miss.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:31 am to Penrod
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Yes there is. They consistently rank the teams according to how good they think they are. That is way better than picking some stupid metric and consistently hueing to it
Your takes continue to be completely idiotic. There is a 0% chance that the committee has watched even 25% of the majority of the teams games who made the field.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:18 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Let's throw A fit then, Ole miss shouldn't have gotten in.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:25 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Let's throw A fit then, Ole miss shouldn't have gotten in.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:08 am to BayouPride
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It’s time for baseball. I’ll bet my bottom dollar though that the A&M homers at D1 Baseball won’t mention that their RPI sucks - just ten spots above NC State who was omitted.
It’s like the computer was totally used for teams like Florida and Georgia Southern and the committee ignored the computer for teams like A&M and NC St. Bottom line is RPI is deeply flawed, A&M deserves a National seed, but NC St. also deserves a regional. Floida and Georgia Southern didn’t deserve a regional
Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:15 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Why does it work one way in aTm's case, and different for other teams?
They were entirely inconsistent in the way they chose who got the top 16 seeds and the way they ranked those 16, but that wasn’t unique to A&M.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:27 am to BayouPride
The selection committee moved away from RPI in college basketball because it wasn't a great metric. The NET metric used now places greater emphasis on better objective measures of how good a team is such as wins away from home (it is harder to win on the road than at home) and efficiency ratings use in predictive metrics like KenPom (which are often good predictors of success). Baseball should probably consider tweaking their "ratings" as well since there is some sort of a roadmap in another sport. However, there may not be enough interest in the sport to warrant such a change.
Another thing that has to be considered is the baseball tournament attempts to truly be "regional" whereas basketball doesn't. When the majority of teams in the baseball tournament are from the south and west, you need "host" to easily accommodate the regionals.
Still, you are never going to get rid of the subjective component in the selection process. And with FAR fewer college baseball games broadcast to wide audiences than basketball, the selection committee doesn't have a great basis for the "eye test". Florida may have had 2x the games easily available to watch than, say, Notre Dame. So when you get down to splitting hairs the committee may say "I saw Florida play and they are pretty good", whereas they may have only seen ND play twice. Both of which may not have been their best games.
In the end though, coaches just want consistency in the process. If conference records aren't important...make that known and stick to it. If wins away from home are a big measurement, state that and be consistent. If something similar to "Quad 1" wins (like in basketball) is a huge deal, let that be known.
You can't produce results that reflect RPI may have been important for this team....but of no importance relative to "that" team.
Another thing that has to be considered is the baseball tournament attempts to truly be "regional" whereas basketball doesn't. When the majority of teams in the baseball tournament are from the south and west, you need "host" to easily accommodate the regionals.
Still, you are never going to get rid of the subjective component in the selection process. And with FAR fewer college baseball games broadcast to wide audiences than basketball, the selection committee doesn't have a great basis for the "eye test". Florida may have had 2x the games easily available to watch than, say, Notre Dame. So when you get down to splitting hairs the committee may say "I saw Florida play and they are pretty good", whereas they may have only seen ND play twice. Both of which may not have been their best games.
In the end though, coaches just want consistency in the process. If conference records aren't important...make that known and stick to it. If wins away from home are a big measurement, state that and be consistent. If something similar to "Quad 1" wins (like in basketball) is a huge deal, let that be known.
You can't produce results that reflect RPI may have been important for this team....but of no importance relative to "that" team.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:27 am to WaWaWeeWa
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They already indicated that SEC record doesn’t matter when they chose 15-15 Florida over 18-12 Arkansas
I'd say that they made a statement that RPI and conference performance both matter.
If thats not the case, which is it? What's your perfect solution?
Is RPI king when UF gets placed above Arkansas or is RPI worthless when A&M gets a top 8 seed?
Or is it that every LSU fan just has sour grapes and rationality goes out the window?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:30 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Any of the last 4 in. RPI was the gold standard for Florida and Auburn hosting, NC State had a higher RPI than any of the last 4 in. In some cases a MUCH higher RPI. They also had a better conference record than Ole Miss.
It does seem like they made a conscious effort to limit the number host seeds and overall berths the ACC received, which explains the outliers of Notre Dame not getting to host (though not why Miami and Louisville got to host over them) and NC St and Clemson not receiving bids. They also seemed to have had a specific number of berths in mind for the SEC, Big 12 and PAC-12 which is why they gave bids to lower RPI teams from those conferences. In most of those cases, it was a legitimate concession that the RPI wasn’t right. I just don’t understand why they didn’t carry that logic further, especially in deciding hosts.
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:48 am to Alt26
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Still, you are never going to get rid of the subjective component in the selection process. And with FAR fewer college baseball games broadcast to wide audiences than basketball, the selection committee doesn't have a great basis for the "eye test". Florida may have had 2x the games easily available to watch than, say, Notre Dame. So when you get down to splitting hairs the committee may say "I saw Florida play and they are pretty good", whereas they may have only seen ND play twice. Both of which may not have been their best games.
As far as this part, they have regional advisiory committees that consist of people from different areas that see these teams play on a regular basis and report back to the selection committee.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:59 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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They were entirely inconsistent in the way they chose who got the top 16 seeds and the way they ranked those 16, but that wasn’t unique to A&M.
Correct. This isn't an LSU issue for me. It's not even an issue that aTm is a top 8. I am of the belief that they 100% deserve it.
I have problems with the RPI itself. For SEC teams it all boiled down to if you had a series against Tennessee or not. Then you have teams canceling games because of the RPI. It's deeply flawed, and needs to be fixed.
Then, as always, there is issues with the committee. They are wildly inconsistent. You can schedule in basketball because coaches have a clearer idea of what they need to do. It's not perfect, but it's better.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:02 pm to TigerCub
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As far as this part, they have regional advisiory committees that consist of people from different areas that see these teams play on a regular basis and report back to the selection committee
That's highly flawed and impossible to be consistent.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:47 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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It's just not consistent. That's the problem.
Bingo. Just like an ump behind the plate, you want consistency in calls. This year really exposed how bad RPI is and how inconsistent the committee is.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:49 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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LSU and/or Arkansas are deserving of host spots before Florida
When are y'all going to learn that scheduling arse all non-conference comes back to bite you in the arse? Florida played FSU and Miami among others
LSU played Towson, Southern, Bethune, and Maine and a bunch of 1AA schools
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:55 pm to BayouPride
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Let me introduce you to 2017 LSU
*2011. 13-17 in conference
2017 was CWS runner up.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:02 pm to Dudebro2
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Yup and they bitch slapped LSU, so rational fans understand we can’t say a whole lot. They beat us fair and square. They have earned it
Everybody ahead of LSU in the standings beat them, they missed the #1 team during the regular season on top of that and backed it up with a loss in the tournament. They lost the series to Auburn who was directly behind them in the standings, split with the 2 teams at 14-16 and were 2 over .500 against the 15-15 teams. They literally feasted on the bottom of the SEC and played/beat no one OOC worth a shite
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:04 pm to Choot em Tiger
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if I’m LSU I’m scheduling Texas and Oregon State for random weekend series before conference play.
They need to do something with that shite arse schedule
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:22 pm to Hurricane Mike
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LSU played Towson, Southern, Bethune, and Maine and a bunch of 1AA schools
Notice how you just conveniently left off Texas, Baylor and Oklahoma, La Tech for LSU.
I'm not saying LSU's OOC schedule can't improve. It's something that wasn't really in Johnson's control, and I think he will improve. However, the key missing thing in your post is Florida played Tennessee, and LSU didn't get a series with them. For SEC teams that made a huge difference in RPI. Ask Arkansas.
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