re: After reading the story by Ross Dellenger - I feel better about Coach O than ever !

Because...

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The truth, however, is that O is bringing the program's old and antiquated football operations into the 21st century and making it astronomically far more efficient and better than it ever was before, and that can only be good and generate future returns with an overall improved and a stronger football program.

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A ridiculous statement like this, is what makes this...

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To the O naysayers, everything O does is incompetent. They won't even give him a chance. They all believe out of context that he failed miserably at Ole Miss, even though all the Ole Miss assistants that were there at the time all say he didn't. Thus, in their myopic narrow minds, O can only fail and bring down the LSU football program at the same time. Even though Les Miles already did.

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...look like what people were saying. Look, there are some people who are unabashedly negative. But they are few. Many of you paint everyone into that corner because at the same time you think O is some genius, " bringing the program's old and antiquated football operations into the 21st century and making it astronomically far more efficient and better than it ever was before," which is ludicrous. You may be right, but he'd need to win 10-11 games this year and 11-12 games next year to prove this statement at all. So you can't say definitively that our program is THIS good right now, without any actual evidence.

The truth, as always, is somewhere in between. Simply put, O hasn't proven himself, and he's done just as much bad as he's done good.

And no one willing to hop on the board and talk believes this:

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Nevertheless, the O naysayers see no value in that because what they want to see is LSU fail so O can be gone. That's it. So good news like this doesn't compute to them.

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You oversimplify a lack of trust in O into a belief that they want O to fail. All a lack of trust does is make one want to get to the other side faster. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's one way to do things. Ripping the band aid is the phrase, and it happens a lot in business.

And honestly, that's partly on O for being a coach you can't trust. From Kiffen, to "Compete for the Championship," to we don't have a kicker, to Ensminger, O is a tough coach to trust simply from his public statements.

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O is a tough coach to trust simply from his public statements.

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Exactly what I said earlier in the thread. I don't think he intentionally lies or misrepresents himself in any way. He's just an extreme optimist and is trying to hype up fans and his team. But, when some of that turns out not to be true and then he repeats it again, it appears to be deceitful and I don't think that's his intent at all.

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you tout this and then remove blame when he shite the bed against the only 2 teams we faced with a defense

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What two teams with a defense? If you are trying to bring up florida who gained over 200 yards While LSU gained over 400 yards you have to look for something other than offensive production.

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and it was 3 records. all predicated on us rushing for 418 yards, 390, and 298 yards

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You need to do MUCH better research if you are going to dispute something I have typed. I have posted this before so you can search my posts if you need help.

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and he was using someone else's playbook.

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We have been over this hundreds of times. But, once again I will say that he did much better with someone else's playbook than someone else did. How is that?

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Exactly what I said earlier in the thread. I don't think he intentionally lies or misrepresents himself in any way. He's just an extreme optimist and is trying to hype up fans and his team. But, when some of that turns out not to be true and then he repeats it again, it appears to be deceitful and I don't think that's his intent at all.

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I think he's a talker, or a politician, which means sometimes he's consciously overly positive "We're going to compete for championships," just because he believes it helps, and other times he's blowing smoke and he knows it: Kiffen, Ensminger for OC, etc.

He moves with what he perceives the audience needs, not with what he believes. Some would call this slimy for the negative connotation.

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We have been over this hundreds of times. But, once again I will say that he did much better with someone else's playbook than someone else did. How is that?

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Can you tell me how the ypg and ppg in the 2016 Ensminger games compares to the 2015 season average for ypg and ppg? I already know the answer but I would like to see how well you actually understand these numbers since you’ve allegedly been over it hundreds of times.

Thanks and Geaux Eaux!

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By ‘assembling’ you mean having an OC and a DC that were both on Les Miles staff... correct?

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That's right and Aranda could have easily left when A&M offered him more money to jump ship. However, he elected to stay because as he says, he believes in coach O and the direction of the program that O is leading.

With Ensminger, on the other hand, when Miles's offered him the opportunity to be the OC, he turned down the job because he knew after being on the coaching staff for a while that the offensive coordinators under Miles were more or less figureheads and then scapegoats.

As he would have had to run Les Miles' old very antiquated offense, as opposed to his own offense, and according to the conditions and rules as set forth by Miles. Which would have meant that he would inevitably be blamed for the poor offensive production as the scapegoat for Miles and fired. Ensminger is no dummy.

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With Ensminger, on the other hand, when Miles's offered him the opportunity to be the OC, he turned down the job because he knew after being on the coaching staff for a while that the offensive coordinators under Miles were more or less figureheads and then scapegoats

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Why'd Ensminger stay at all? Why didn't he go be an OC somewhere else if that's what he wanted so much?

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Having the #7 class and then the #15 class in a down year in Louisiana is a failure?

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Yes.

He had the 7th rated class handed to him by Miles, so not his accomplishment. He certainly tried to frick it up by offering Tua, someone that was never coming here. He almost lost Brennan and Narcisse because of that.

The 15th ranked class could've been higher and he would've gotten credit for it, but he fricked up the Surtain recruitment after Miles had him in the boat for 3 years. Then didn't have enough room for Goodrich who wanted to commit. Pretty embarrassing job by him quite frankly. That's two consecutive years that him offering a QB that was never coming here harmed LSU.

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No, what orgeron is going to do is worse. He’s going to keep us at 8 to 9 wins a season and the fan base will accept mediocrity

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How's he going to do this? Is it from building talent and depth on the lines like LSU hasn't had in years? Is it going to be not running the same stagnant offense as was done in the past? What is he going to do worse?

People post these FACTS about what is going to happen in the future but never post why they know what they do. Step up man.

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Miles was fired because it was becoming clear we had plateaued and we’re going to win another championship.

Because end of the day that’s all that matters

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True, but it is interesting that he was fired the day after the LSU players were celebrating a win over Auburn. Only to realize the clock had run to zero on Miles again for the last time at LSU.