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re: After reading the story by Ross Dellenger - I feel better about Coach O than ever !
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:19 pm to AshLSU
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:19 pm to AshLSU
8-9 wins didn’t work for his predecessor so why do you think it work for O?
If he has 3 or 4 8-9 win seasons, he’ll be fired.
It’s comical that y’all have convinced yourselves that 4-8>8-4.
At 8-9 wins, our recruiting stays at about where it is right now. If we tank, so does recruiting.
It’s better for O to have 2 more 8-9 win seasons with 2 more 15th ranked recruiting classes that for him to tank next year and frick recruiting.
Don’t you want the next guy to have some good players to work with?
If he has 3 or 4 8-9 win seasons, he’ll be fired.
It’s comical that y’all have convinced yourselves that 4-8>8-4.
At 8-9 wins, our recruiting stays at about where it is right now. If we tank, so does recruiting.
It’s better for O to have 2 more 8-9 win seasons with 2 more 15th ranked recruiting classes that for him to tank next year and frick recruiting.
Don’t you want the next guy to have some good players to work with?
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:20 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
That’s not why Miles was fired
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:22 pm to Madking
Miles was fired because it was becoming clear we had plateaued and we’re going to win another championship.
Because end of the day that’s all that matters.
Because end of the day that’s all that matters.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:23 pm to Tiger Ree
Leave it to Earl to bring Poli board shite in here be totally wrong and sound stupid while doing it.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:24 pm to Tiger Ree
shite, you're the president of the fan club. You could find them faster than me. I already said I'm not wasting my time doing a search on the website for posts.
With the way you gush about Orgeron and Ensminger, seems like 10-2 would be a disappointing season for you. I don't want to misquote you, but seems like you are of the belief that O has everything he wants and needs now, so I thought you would be driving the 10 bus. But, I don't recall you ever guaranteeing anything like that.
With the way you gush about Orgeron and Ensminger, seems like 10-2 would be a disappointing season for you. I don't want to misquote you, but seems like you are of the belief that O has everything he wants and needs now, so I thought you would be driving the 10 bus. But, I don't recall you ever guaranteeing anything like that.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:26 pm to Goldrush25
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What has Orgeron ever done that he didn't get from another college coach?
When was the last time something was actually created by a college coach? The run & shoot?
Nope, that was created by a high school coach - Glenn "Tiger" Ellison and then refined by Darell "Mouse" Davis at Oregon.
Was it the spread offense?
Nope, that was created by Rusty Russell, coach of Fort Worth's Masonic Home and School for orphaned boys. Russell began coaching Masonic Home in 1927, and due to the fact that his teams were often over-matched physically by other schools.
So my question, again is what current coach in college or pro isn't copying something he got from another coach?
Don't bother trying to come up with an answer, everybody knows there isn't one.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:27 pm to SammyTiger
I agree that’s what people like you and I would fire him for but it was more about him lying to Alleva and making him look like a fool over and over again. Remember Alleva wasn’t his biggest fan to begin with, Miles played him with the phony Arkansas situation, used his political pull to overthrow Allevas decision to fire him in 2015 and lied to him about modernizing the offense. All very embarrassing to Alleva.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:28 pm to Tiger Ree
Just when you thought it couldn’t get anymore outlandish. Lol you say “spread offense” like it’s one uniformed system. Dan Mullen and Urban Meyer created the system they use not some made up high school coach. And that goes for many college offenses.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:32 pm to TigerLunatik
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With the way you gush about Orgeron and Ensminger, seems like 10-2 would be a disappointing season for you. I don't want to misquote you, but seems like you are of the belief that O has everything he wants and needs now, so I thought you would be driving the 10 bus. But, I don't recall you ever guaranteeing anything like that.
See that's the funny part. All this sounds great but when the results don't match the talk then the excuses come. They won't guarantee or even bet on the results coming and you have to wonder why that it is. Meanwhile, the recruiting is great, the hires are great, etc. well then we should be contending for the west next year right???
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:33 pm to Tiger Ree
What he means is that Os coaching style seems to be getting as money other coaches to figure everything out for him.
He doesn’t bring much Xs and Os wise to the table. Like at all.
He doesn’t bring much Xs and Os wise to the table. Like at all.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:38 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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8-9 wins didn’t work for his predecessor so why do you think it work for O?
Have you seen the posts and the excuses? And the fact that Alleva's job relies on O. It's a bad mix of things that will solidify the opinion that 9 wins is "good enough." Just like this season. It was good enough.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:41 pm to Goldrush25
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But I think it's pretty obvious that he doesn't tolerate a contest of his ideas and wants people he feels "comfortable" with.
For not wanting someone who would fly off the handle instead of participating in basic discussion? Because the D coordinator asked the offense to run certain plays in order to practice for an upcoming opponent and the OC refused and continued to run sweeps?
Imagine that, an OC that nobody liked working with and the HC gets rid of him. The players, staff and other coaches should have sucked it up and treated the OC like a king. All other programs do that.
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"I'm the head coach, we'll do what I want."
He said that.
So? he's right.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:42 pm to Madking
I want to disagree but Alleva has a fricking ego for a guy who’s most know for hiring Wd Orgeron and Botching the duke Lacrosse scandal.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:42 pm to SammyTiger
The sunshine pumpers creed... could this be the best team in LSU history? But don’t expect too much that makes you entitled and spoiled. In their minds people like this can never lose.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:46 pm to UpToPar
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I think Orgeron would rather hire someone he is comfortable with over a more qualified "outsider."
Do you think the Canada hire didn't happen?
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Alleva took the same route and is the reason we are in this shitty situation to begin with.
More power to you man. A shitty situation isn't winning 9 games in a coach's first year. It isn't winning 9 games while playing over 30 freshmen including two freshmen on the offensive line. A shitty situation is not having the most talent and depth on the O and D lines in years.
Go ahead and cry though it could always be a shittier situation.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:48 pm to 1999
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doubt he will admit he was totally uniformed on the history of utsa football.
Oh, I know all about it. I AM surprised the morons on this board took the time to look it up. It's obvious the majority of the ones posting in this thread didn't even read the article linked in the OP.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:50 pm to Tiger Ree
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an OC that nobody liked working with
Ok See. Answer this for me please. Do you think O should get blame for hiring Canada without vetting him properly and only having met him once? He obvioulsy hadn't stayed at any school for very long. I had my concerns about that going into last season.
I've asked other O supporters and I can never get a response. I'm curious of your opinion on this one.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:52 pm to TigerLunatik
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Ok See. Answer this for me please. Do you think O should get blame for hiring Canada without vetting him properly and only having met him once? He obvioulsy hadn't stayed at any school for very long. I had my concerns about that going into last season.
I've asked other O supporters and I can never get a response. I'm curious of your opinion on this one.
You are spot on.
I'll help Ree out, he blames Aranda. See this post:
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So now you have a beef with Aranda? It was his idea, just like the Canada recommendation.
This is how he absolves O.
The blame and responsibility game is the whole problem with the O discussion, and why 8-9 win season may very well be the new standard.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:57 pm to Freauxzen
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Right. Because Saban has a vision hires to that vision, and understands the details and nuances of the information that a shadow staff might provide. It's a piece of the puzzle, because the architect of that puzzle is Nick Saban. He is that good, and he knows that much about football, that he can hear 4 different analyses of the "Top Red Zone Offenses" in the country and understand how to either beat them, or be them.
GOD DUDE !!! I feel like I was just flipping channels and came across one that had TWO DUDES making out with each other.
Not sure why you are on an LSU board. Your love interest is coach of another team.
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Do you think Orgeron can do that? Does he seem like the type of guy to sit down and scheme around multiple infortmational reports and videos created by his staff?
Why not? It's not like foosball is rocket surgery or brain science. It is also one of the main parts of the article.
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Replicating a shadow staff, just to replicate a shadow staff, won't move the needle at all.
Boy when you make a dumb post you really don't fool around.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:57 pm to Freauxzen
There are several questions you'll never get answered by certain posters who espouse blind, unwavering support of O. There again, you have to wonder why they totally ignore these questions
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