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re: After reading the story by Ross Dellenger - I feel better about Coach O than ever !
Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:37 pm to BayouCowboy
Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:37 pm to BayouCowboy
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You may have missed my post on the next page after that:
I did, admittedly.
But, I'm responding both to you directly and to the general sentiment for the shadow staff.
It's a neutral move. It's only positive if you think O can actually use a shadow staff effectively, and I honestly don't see how anyone can think O can assimilate and act on that kind of information. Aranda? Maybe, and if he gets more responsibility internally, sure that could work (but it opens up major political problems).
I think, much like the binder, he's taking what someone else has done and replicating it without understanding it.
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obviously the man driving the move doesn't have a good track record.
It's about demonstrating skills necessary to make use of this level of data. O has not shown one visionary or forward thinking skill. He's a cheerleader and a motivator, not a visionary or a strategist.
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:38 pm to Tiger Ree
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Matt Canada did not give up 37 points to MS St and 24 to Troy or the last minute TD to Notre Dame. Those losses were on the whole team.
In other words, Coach Eaux
Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:40 pm to Freauxzen
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Replicating a shadow staff, just to replicate a shadow staff, won't move the needle at all.
If the answer to why we're hiring a bunch of support staffers is "because Bama has a bunch of them," we're never going to be on a level playing field with them.
Saban hired a staffer one time to reduce the number of words in the offensive play calls. That was his only responsibility. To make the calls quicker to increase efficiency in attempting to run an up tempo offense.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:44 pm to ProjectP2294
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If the answer to why we're hiring a bunch of support staffers is "because Bama has a bunch of them," we're never going to be on a level playing field with them.
Well, look at this thread, and that interview. There isn't really any other concrete reason.
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Saban hired a staffer one time to reduce the number of words in the offensive play calls. That was his only responsibility. To make the calls quicker to increase efficiency in attempting to run an up tempo offense.
This isn't surprising, because Saban understands the FULL implications of efficiency and play calling and how that impacts tempo.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:45 pm to Freauxzen
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Well, look at this thread, and that interview.
I don't want to ruin my weekend.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:46 pm to ProjectP2294
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I don't want to ruin my weekend.
It shouldn't be surprising though. We're talking about a coach who has wanted to run 5 different offenses in under 24 months.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 3:55 pm to UpToPar
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The LSU program that Saban took over and the LSU program that Orgeron took over are vastly different.
UAB hadn't had a winning season ever until the year Saban and LSU lost to them. Was UAB more talented than LSU.
Was ULM more talented than Bama in Saban's first year? The ULM team that only had four wins including Grambling was better than Alabama> ULM was only 5-6 AFTER the Bama win.
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I'm ready for this nightmare of an experiment to be over with
Ha Ha Ha, get used to being miserable.
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But, I think he has been given ample opportunities to prove that he is a different coach
He has been the coach for ONE year moron.
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a different coach than he was at Ole Miss and, thus far, has failed to do so. In my opinion
How many winning seasons did he have at Ole Miss? How many times did he play Notre Dame in a bowl game at Ole Miss?
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Absent a drastic turnaround, he should be fired as soon as it is reasonably prudent to do so, which will likely be after this season.
Your post started out smelling of shite and continued to get worse. You really should try to follow football one day. Doesn't have to be LSU but just try to follow football - high school, college, NFL, Canadian - doesn't matter.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:00 pm to Freauxzen
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I did, admittedly. But, I'm responding both to you directly and to the general sentiment for the shadow staff. It's a neutral move. It's only positive if you think O can actually use a shadow staff effectively, and I honestly don't see how anyone can think O can assimilate and act on that kind of information. Aranda? Maybe, and if he gets more responsibility internally, sure that could work (but it opens up major political problems). I think, much like the binder, he's taking what someone else has done and replicating it without understanding it.
It seems pointless to argue about agreeing with you. The only thing I would disagree with is that he doesn't have to be a visionary. Looking at other successful systems and gleaning from each to build a successful program is simply smart management. He doesn't have to invent the wheel. He just has to make it perform better.
Is he capable of doing that? Well, that's debatable.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:01 pm to Tiger Ree
No those losses were on O. For the Troy and State game he was still meddling in Canada offense and had to be told by the AD to keep his word and stay out of Canada’s way. Why would a defensive line coach meddle with an offense anyway? He even admitted this exact thing is what led to an unprecedented failure at Ole Miss and he wasn’t gonna do it again but guess what he lied he’s doing exactly what he did at Ole Miss. Then of course the total shitshow followed by the on field choke job that was Notre Dame.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:01 pm to Madking
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The Notre Dame loss is 100% on Orgeron
bullshite. It is totally on the defense not being able to hold them. Georgia led ND by one point with over three minutes to go at ND. They were able to hold on defense. LSU's weak link in the losses this season WAS the defense.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:03 pm to Tiger Ree
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How many winning seasons did he have at Ole Miss? How many times did he play Notre Dame in a bowl game at Ole Miss?
That's because of Les's players.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:03 pm to UpToPar
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Did you forget about the decision to kick the fg from the 6inch line?
Did you forget the field goal was good? The worst case scenario at that time would have been a ND field goal to tie the game and go to overtime. What happened?
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:03 pm to BayouCowboy
Well said. If orgeron really had shown that he's a different coach now than he was then (2005-2007) then great, but the way he handled adversity with the staff and embarrassing losses with public tantrums and stubbornness is frightening if we are to be honest about this whole situation
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:05 pm to Tiger Ree
Lmfao yea getting shutout for a half against Troy is on the defense too I guess. Vs Notre Dame Oregeron coached not to lose instead of to win which is what he’s always done and he got beat. It was a stupid and cowardly decision and he suffered a cowards fate because of it.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:07 pm to Madking
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For the Troy and State game he was still meddling in Canada offense and had to be told by the AD to keep his word and stay out of Canada’s way.
Actually the "O meddling" came after the offense shite the bed vs Miss St. It's an important point of distinction.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:10 pm to BayouCowboy
That’s not true it was happeneing all season until he was forced to stop. You’re referring to the Troy game when he completely took over the game plan and installed his stuff from 2016 and he did do that but he was meddling in the offense from day one as far as situational playcalling and restricting certain things.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:15 pm to Tiger Ree
All the phony stories he had his friends in the media plant about Canada being a problem and having an abrasive attitude. You saw all these stories about Canada having bad character and causing trouble, how he was badmouthing O to recruits and that Canada was looking for another job and wanted to leave. All of which were untrue and was just Orgeron smearing the mans name so that O would look good when he decided to fire Canada. For someone who tells people they need to “follow football” you sure don’t know much about what’s going on with your hero.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:20 pm to Madking
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For someone who tells people they need to “follow football” you sure don’t know much about what’s going on with your hero.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:24 pm to Madking
The wonderful part of all this is that the results speak for themselves and that's what he will be judged on...wins and losses. All this positive news supports the opinion that we shouldn't accept another disappointing season with inexplicable losses. Recruiting is great and he's got his handpicked staff. The fact that he's been a head coach for 4 seasons and still mismanages things as he does is alarming, but time will prove out the truth. In the meantime, Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:30 pm to The Pirate King
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So we’re ignoring Billy Busch and all of the support staff?
yeah we all know how O just gets the frick out of the way and lets his coaches coach too
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