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re: A requiem and history of The Golden Era of LSU
Posted on 10/6/17 at 6:19 pm to Skooter
Posted on 10/6/17 at 6:19 pm to Skooter
I disagree with the trending down at an alarming rate after 1/9
His final five seasons he was
13-1
10-3
10-3
8-5
9-3 (would have been 10-3 if not for canceled game)
If you look at any 5 year period in LSU history, excluding when Miles coached, those are the 5 best years in LSU history. This "rapid decline" is better than Saban'a five year tenure at LSU.
Was it as good as Miles' first five years? No.
Was it a great five years? Yes.
The numbers don't lie. It's why the rest of America thought at the time of Miles firing, and certainly still hold the view, that LSUs admin and fans were out of their minds for wanting a change.
Change we certainly got.
His final five seasons he was
13-1
10-3
10-3
8-5
9-3 (would have been 10-3 if not for canceled game)
If you look at any 5 year period in LSU history, excluding when Miles coached, those are the 5 best years in LSU history. This "rapid decline" is better than Saban'a five year tenure at LSU.
Was it as good as Miles' first five years? No.
Was it a great five years? Yes.
The numbers don't lie. It's why the rest of America thought at the time of Miles firing, and certainly still hold the view, that LSUs admin and fans were out of their minds for wanting a change.
Change we certainly got.
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 6:25 pm to LSUgal1988
Golden Era of LSU Football
Born: September 24, 2000
Died: September 30, 2017
Born: September 24, 2000
Died: September 30, 2017
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 6:50 pm to LSUgal1988
Damn that was good. Impressive. The mouth breathing Miles hates won't read it, and ignorance will continue to be Rant theme.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 7:03 pm to LSUgal1988
Hi Smacker
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:25 pm to LSUgal1988
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I disagree with the trending down at an alarming rate after 1/9
Again, it wasn't so much the record for Miles after that, it was the state of the program. We went from a top 5 program to a top 15 program, or worse.
I'm a Miles man, and hate the whole "won with Saban's players" shtick, but since you want numbers, here you go.
4 of the first 7 seasons, and all 3 with "Saban's players", LSU finished in the top 5. After 2011, we didn't finish in the top 10 even once. We finished 1 season unranked, and during that time lost 2 mediocre bowl games, to teams we definitely outclassed, because we played heartless and uninspired football. For a top 10 program, which we are, 4 years without a top 10 finish is trending downwards. Add to that, the margin of defeat got increasingly worse (see below). Again, trending downwards.
You really don't have a leg to stand on that fans were just spoiled and that's why Miles was fired. By his own standards, he was declining and rapidly. The losses didn't just become more frequent, they became worse, by every measurable.
On top of all of that, and only exacerbating the fact that it was likely to continue, roster management suffered terribly. And we're seeing the results of that now.
We lost games by a combined total of:
2005: 23 pts (2 losses) avg 12.5
2006: 17 pts (2 losses) avg 8.5
2007: 8 pts (2 losses) avg 4
2008: 69 pts (5 losses) avg 13.8
2009: 23 pts (4 losses) avg 5.75
2010: 15 pts (2 losses) avg 7.5
2011: 21 pts in championship
2012: 13 pts (3 losses) avg 4.33
2013: 27 pts (3 losses) avg 9
2014: 66 pts (5 losses) avg 13.2
2015: 48 pts (3 losses) avg 16
Posted on 10/7/17 at 1:56 am to Skooter
Skooter, you said the program went into a rapid decline; then when the W-L record showed otherwise, you then go into style of play...
please, stop. Bitching that the team wasn't winning as pretty as you want them to, is about as bad as claiming the 11-2 record of 2005 was a disappointment.
@005 was the first year for Miles, following the last year of Saban, where the team went... 9-3. THAT team was stacked too, and lost more, won less. Lost to Georgia 45-16.
We had no delusions of grandeur at the time, we thought 2003 was lightning in a bottle and that Saban had restored LSU to it's place as a GOOD program.
It was Miles' stretch of 2005-2007 with 3 consecutive top 5 finishes and another title, that we got the impression that we were going to be the next "The U". Miles did fail to deliver that, ultimately. But he kept the program at or above the level Saban established it, during a period where the SEC produced 7 consecutive BCS champs.
In our eagerness to be great, to surpass Alabama (let's be frank, the best program in the SEC, and currently the best program in the country), we've napalmed everything that both Saban and Miles built.
Even in discussing how bad Orgeron has been, people are STILL prefacing it with "Miles had to go, but". But what? But rehire Saban? Commandeer Bama's team and put them in purple and gold? What was the brilliant plan, other than OMG Bama beats us, fire the bum?
We have to accept and own the fact that we fired a very successful coach, had no idea what to do next, and now we have a disaster.
please, stop. Bitching that the team wasn't winning as pretty as you want them to, is about as bad as claiming the 11-2 record of 2005 was a disappointment.
@005 was the first year for Miles, following the last year of Saban, where the team went... 9-3. THAT team was stacked too, and lost more, won less. Lost to Georgia 45-16.
We had no delusions of grandeur at the time, we thought 2003 was lightning in a bottle and that Saban had restored LSU to it's place as a GOOD program.
It was Miles' stretch of 2005-2007 with 3 consecutive top 5 finishes and another title, that we got the impression that we were going to be the next "The U". Miles did fail to deliver that, ultimately. But he kept the program at or above the level Saban established it, during a period where the SEC produced 7 consecutive BCS champs.
In our eagerness to be great, to surpass Alabama (let's be frank, the best program in the SEC, and currently the best program in the country), we've napalmed everything that both Saban and Miles built.
Even in discussing how bad Orgeron has been, people are STILL prefacing it with "Miles had to go, but". But what? But rehire Saban? Commandeer Bama's team and put them in purple and gold? What was the brilliant plan, other than OMG Bama beats us, fire the bum?
We have to accept and own the fact that we fired a very successful coach, had no idea what to do next, and now we have a disaster.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:03 am to Scoob
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you said the program went into a rapid decline; then when the W-L record showed otherwise, you then go into style of play...
This is the 3rd f'ng time I'm going to post literally the same thing. "it wasn't so much the record for Miles after that, it was the state of the program. We went from a top 5 program to a top 15 program, or worse." I then went on to explain what I meant by that and backed it up with numbers. The fact that you didn't understand the first 2 times I wrote it, is completely on you.
quote:
Bitching that the team wasn't winning as pretty as you want them to, is about as bad as claiming the 11-2 record of 2005 was a disappointment.
Look, I'm not one of the fans you've grouped me with. I was never calling for Miles' head or freaking out, yelling "We're LSU GODDAMMIT!" What I am is someone who supported and defended the man against the Sabanistas for many many years, but someone who also recognized when it was time for him to go. I think that time was after the A&M game of '15. We can argue that timing if you'd like. That's just my personal opinion.
To your point, I never said we were winning ugly and that's why I was upset. I went on to say that I misspoke, and that the 05 season was disappointing, but not a disappointment. I was there when UGA kicked our arse in the sec championship. It sucked. But the team was exhausted, and I get it. That season was a good one. (To belabor the point, '13 was disappointing with all that talent we had. '16 was a disappointment. '05 was not a disappointment)
Moving on. Winning ugly/close was a hallmark of Les. That was one of the guaranteed things about a Les Miles team. They were not going to quit. And the "Mad Hatter" was going to do something to pull out the win. I was one of a few that actually loved Les for that. I never got upset about winning ugly, except that Tennessee game. If anything, those close wins, where we were going to pull it out our arse in the last second, went away his last few seasons.
What I did say is that we started to lose more and by a greater margin. The numbers back that up. Which goes to the state of the program, as mentioned above and in previous posts.
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@005 was the first year for Miles, following the last year of Saban, where the team went... 9-3. THAT team was stacked too, and lost more, won less. Lost to Georgia 45-16.
We had no delusions of grandeur at the time, we thought 2003 was lightning in a bottle and that Saban had restored LSU to it's place as a GOOD program.
It was Miles' stretch of 2005-2007 with 3 consecutive top 5 finishes and another title, that we got the impression that we were going to be the next "The U". Miles did fail to deliver that, ultimately. But he kept the program at or above the level Saban established it, during a period where the SEC produced 7 consecutive BCS champs.
I don't disagree with anything you wrote. Miles did a hell of a job especially those first few years. Rebuilding the program to what it was in 10 & 11, was an absolute thing of beauty. I went to every single game home and away in 2011. It was a hell of a ride, and I'll be forever grateful to Les for that.
quote:
Even in discussing how bad Orgeron has been, people are STILL prefacing it with "Miles had to go, but". But what?
Miles had to go, But we should have conducted an actual coaching search with a competent AD. The fact that we hired O is separate and apart from the reasons Les got fired. They are 2 distinct happenings. We fired Les. We hired O. We did not fire Les to hire O. Hindsight is 20/20, and another shoulda woulda coulda situation.
ETA: This guy says what I was trying to.
It was time for Miles to go; O was the wrong hire. Both are true.
quote:
We have to accept and own the fact that we fired a very successful coach, had no idea what to do next, and now we have a disaster.
All completely true.
This post was edited on 10/7/17 at 8:13 am
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:07 am to Scoob
Everything Scoob said is correct.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:13 am to LSUgal1988
Most of what he said is correct
Posted on 10/7/17 at 9:06 am to earl keese
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We had moved it enough to score 15 points up to that moment of the game. And again, who knows what may or may not have happened. That's why the game is 60 minutes, not 55 minutes and 55 seconds.
We have NINE total yards of offense in the fourth quarter of that game. Let me repeat that....NINE.
Only 68 yards in the second half. Bama had figured out our putrid offense and they were DESTROYING us off the line.
And you expect me to believe that an interception with barely 6 minutes left having to go 70 yards for a TD is a lock for a win.
You know we got the ball back and threw an interception right? In fact we had TWO drives after that missed call for a total of ZERO yards of offense and an interception.
Our longest drive of the game was 10 yards shorter than we needed in the drive to score a touchdown after the Peterson missed call and Bama had time to get the ball back anyway.
No way we were marching down the field that day. It’s asinine to say we lost because of that missed call. We lost because we barely moved the ball that day, especially in the second half.
This post was edited on 10/7/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:32 pm to Skooter
Gonna bump this, because it was a good discussion.
Skooter, I think that we're probably very close to being on the same page.
Here's where we differ, and I think it might just be semantics:
We both accept that it was time to move on from Miles. You're saying it was time to let him go, I'm saying it was time to find his replacement.
I think finding the replacement first might have taken longer for the end of Miles to occur, but we'd be in a smoother situation right now.
Yes, we beat Florida, that doesn't mean all is good and forgiven. Just means the players overcame their opponent. I always want that to happen. Doesn't make up for the Troy and Miss St losses, it just means that this week, we performed to expectations. I don't want to go week to week, I want to have this program humming, just like we all do.
Skooter, I think that we're probably very close to being on the same page.
Here's where we differ, and I think it might just be semantics:
We both accept that it was time to move on from Miles. You're saying it was time to let him go, I'm saying it was time to find his replacement.
I think finding the replacement first might have taken longer for the end of Miles to occur, but we'd be in a smoother situation right now.
Yes, we beat Florida, that doesn't mean all is good and forgiven. Just means the players overcame their opponent. I always want that to happen. Doesn't make up for the Troy and Miss St losses, it just means that this week, we performed to expectations. I don't want to go week to week, I want to have this program humming, just like we all do.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:25 pm to tarzana
I'd put the end of the Era the day Miles was from fired
Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:07 pm to Scoob
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Scoob
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