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re: A requiem and history of The Golden Era of LSU
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:35 am to LSUgal1988
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:35 am to LSUgal1988
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LSUgal1988
Congratulations on posting the largest pile of shite this week. Two full posts worth, no less. Impressive.
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:38 am to LSUgal1988
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your ingratitude to Miles
Yep. My ingratitude caused Miles to become a. 500 coach in the West. You got me there. Let me find a sword to fall on.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:40 am to LSUgal1988
We didn’t lose to Bama because of the missed Peterson interception call. That’s one of the biggest myths on this board.
Even IF he intercepted that, there was very little time in the game and we had to go all the way down field to score a touchdown with one of the worst offenses in LSU’s history. We weren’t moving the ball at all that day.
Even IF he intercepted that, there was very little time in the game and we had to go all the way down field to score a touchdown with one of the worst offenses in LSU’s history. We weren’t moving the ball at all that day.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:57 am to biscuitsngravy
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Can't read all that. Geezus.
Start simply:
See Spot. See spot run. . . . . .
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:59 am to Wind Rivers Tiger
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Awesome read. I appreciate a literary effort like that!
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Props to you, as opposed to those who proudly proclaim that their limited attention span and cognitive limitations prevents their reading of more than three sentences. “Duh, did not read, duh!”
Yeah - I appreciate well articulated prose. I pity those whose attention is only drawn to number stickers and emojis.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:59 am to LSUgal1988
The greatest post ever and like it or not it is True
Great Great read
Great job LSUgal
The snowflake Pussies that disagree come out and make comments like they are doing now on this post. You suck arse ****s couldn't be satisfied with avg 10 win seasons
Reap what you so
The post is a beautiful narrative I have to say, couldn't have written it better.
Great Great read
Great job LSUgal
The snowflake Pussies that disagree come out and make comments like they are doing now on this post. You suck arse ****s couldn't be satisfied with avg 10 win seasons
Reap what you so
The post is a beautiful narrative I have to say, couldn't have written it better.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:00 am to wesman21
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"LSU goes on to defeat 8 ranked teams, including 3 teams that finished in the top 5. It is the greatest regular season in college football history. "
Yes - this was the greatest team ever assembled in my mind.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:02 am to Delmore1951
You're a Pussy
Lol
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A shame
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A shame
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:03 am to tigerbaiter1033
Read it Boy
Read the Truth!!!
Lol
Read the Truth!!!
Lol
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:12 am to theunknownknight
O wow
How old were you when the game was played, 13?
You sound like a living Excuse.
That was a solid offense that year, at that point in the game we had the momentum. If that call would have been called right they would have walked the rest of the game to the Win.
Remember be a True fan
Not an Excuse
GEaux Tigers!
How old were you when the game was played, 13?
You sound like a living Excuse.
That was a solid offense that year, at that point in the game we had the momentum. If that call would have been called right they would have walked the rest of the game to the Win.
Remember be a True fan
Not an Excuse
GEaux Tigers!
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:39 am to LSUgal1988
Great work! Sadly, the simpletons on this forum will never appreciate it.
I do, however, disagree with your assessment that Miles was the driving force of greatness. He was a mediocre HC at a mediocre school prior to LSU. I think hes an okay coach and a phenomenal recruiter and puts together a good staff including the one he left behind in Stillwater. As much as players and his subordinates seem to love the guy he never really listened to their expertise and let them do their job. I dont think he delegated game planning and game-time duties and decisions very well and his stubborn refusal to change or heed others advice was ultimately his undoing. These points are really the only criticisms I ever heard of the man and rightfully so.
A Les Miles would have been good-enough to great in most circumstances and eras but to beat the best in the SEC required someone willing to think outside the box and attack an opponents weaknesses and thats just not how the man is built.
I think most success in life is a rare culmination of hard work, positive attitude and opportunity/circumstance. Miles brought the attitude and hard work and found himself lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and he made the most of it based on his abilities. To get over the hump required just a little more creativity than he was born with. Thats not his fault.
I do, however, disagree with your assessment that Miles was the driving force of greatness. He was a mediocre HC at a mediocre school prior to LSU. I think hes an okay coach and a phenomenal recruiter and puts together a good staff including the one he left behind in Stillwater. As much as players and his subordinates seem to love the guy he never really listened to their expertise and let them do their job. I dont think he delegated game planning and game-time duties and decisions very well and his stubborn refusal to change or heed others advice was ultimately his undoing. These points are really the only criticisms I ever heard of the man and rightfully so.
A Les Miles would have been good-enough to great in most circumstances and eras but to beat the best in the SEC required someone willing to think outside the box and attack an opponents weaknesses and thats just not how the man is built.
I think most success in life is a rare culmination of hard work, positive attitude and opportunity/circumstance. Miles brought the attitude and hard work and found himself lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and he made the most of it based on his abilities. To get over the hump required just a little more creativity than he was born with. Thats not his fault.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:42 am to LSUgal1988
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This story has the makings of a Shakespearean tragedy.
A sleeping giant is woken by an unlikeable OCD perfectionist who wins a national championship for the school, its first in half a century, back when segregation was still the rule.
All the way across the country, a paper champ is claiming the same title. In that western cadre is a rambunctious, shirt-is-optional recruiting coordinator. He brought in some of the best classes in the nation. Along the way he also recruited such players as Frostee Rucker, who left Colorado State under, shall we say, dubious circumstances, and Reggie Bush, whose recruitment led to the revocation of USCs title and 20+ wins, not to mention the most severe sanctions in football since SMU.
2004 ends with joy for USC, blowing out OU and embarrassment for the Tigers with a last second Hail Mary like loss to Iowa. Saban decides to give LSU an unpleasant Christmas gift and test his toes in the NFL.
That same off-season, Ole Miss, LSU's perennial rival, decides to fire its most successful coach in some time, Cutcliffe, and go with Orgeron. Orgeron, who had no head coaching or coordinator experience, is seen as a coach with tremendous upside. Pete Carroll has nothing but praise and USC seemingly at the time is the dynasty du jour. Nothing at that time is known about the program's lack of institutional control, largely seen as a result of the recruiting in the early 2000s.
Meanwhile, LSU is also welcoming a new coach in the midst of the worst natural disaster in US history. Despite a less than well received maiden voyage at home, Miles leads LSU to an impressive 11-2 season, which many LSU fans saw as a disappointment, this even though it would have been his predecessor's second best season. The season includes a 40-7 win over Orgeron, already feeling the heat as Ole Miss skipper. Miles would go 3-0 against Orgeron before Orgeron is fired after accumulating a 3-21 SEC record at Ole Miss.
Saban, whose style doesn't translate in the NFL, and whose choice to take Dante Culpepper over future Hall of Famer Drew Brees, knows his days in Miami are numbered. He is courted by Alabama, a program in disarray, led by son of the legendary Dolphins coach. Alabama had already been turned down by their first choice, Rich Rodriguez.
As Miles leads LSU to another national championship in 2007, Saban struggles to rebuild a depleted Alabama program, including a humiliating loss to the University of Louisiana. A late season 2OT loss to Arkansas has some LSU fans bitter, knowing that LSU only made it to the title game thanks to a shocking upset of Rodriguez led West Virginia by unranked Pitt.
There remains a strong Saban contingent at LSU. Miles has his worst season in 08 at 8-5, including an OT loss to then #1 Alabama. Alabama is on the up and the program Saban built at LSU, Miles had then destroyed, according to the growing Saban faction.
LSU 24
OU 7
The score in the early 4rth quarter of the BCS NC between the LSU Fighting Tigers versus the Oklahoma Sooners..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................WHY WAS THE FIELD GOAL TAKEN OFF THE SCORE?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:02 am to LSUgal1988
Okay, I'll play. You make some good and not so good points in here. I'm going to dissect a few things. Keep in mind, I was a Miles guy who recognized when it was time for him to go. I'll elaborate.
That season was a disappointment for the team that we had. Our program was absolutely stacked and rolling. If Miles doesn't mettle with his coordinators, we go undefeated up to the SEC Championship Game.
I still remember the ESPN broadcast when we were looking for Saban's replacement. "With what LSU has coming back, a good coach should win the West. A really good coach should have them in the hunt for the NC." There's no denying we were in the hunt that year. We were #3 in the country going into the SEC Championship. I think Les did something that was hard to do. He kept a program not just alive, but great, for quite some time. Many coaches have failed to be able to do this. It is obviously not as easy as people say it is. I fear we're watching a bad job unfold in front of our eyes with O. It does give me way more appreciation for the job Miles did when he got here. It does not change my opinion that it was time for him to go.
Do I think Miles deserved all the heat he got early on? No. But, if Miles doesn't mettle in the defense against Tennessee, and probably the offense, too, we don't lose our freaking 21 point lead. Plain and simple, we don't lose to Tennessee if Saban is still here. We likely go undefeated, and I personally think the media would have loved to have a Nick Saban / Pete Carroll match-up, where the last 2 BCS Champions meet up. Texas is the odd man out that year.
All of that is shoulda woulda coulda. The season was a disappointment, but that doesn't change the fact that Miles did a pretty good job.
2006 will always stick out in my mind. If Miles doesn't mess with Jimbo, we beat Auburn, even with the refs in their back pocket. That game was disgusting and completely on Miles. We were the best team in the country at the end of that season and I think we kill UF in the rematch in the SEC Championship. But again, shoulda, woulda, coulda.
That was Miles' first year where it was basically all his guys, and it was his worst season at LSU. He doesn't get a pass, but there was no reason to run him out of town either. The most alarming thing in hindsight was not having QB depth at LSU behind Perrilloux. And as everyone knows, this would become a theme for Miles after Saban's recruits were gone.
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Despite a less than well received maiden voyage at home, Miles leads LSU to an impressive 11-2 season, which many LSU fans saw as a disappointment, this even though it would have been his predecessor's second best season.
That season was a disappointment for the team that we had. Our program was absolutely stacked and rolling. If Miles doesn't mettle with his coordinators, we go undefeated up to the SEC Championship Game.
I still remember the ESPN broadcast when we were looking for Saban's replacement. "With what LSU has coming back, a good coach should win the West. A really good coach should have them in the hunt for the NC." There's no denying we were in the hunt that year. We were #3 in the country going into the SEC Championship. I think Les did something that was hard to do. He kept a program not just alive, but great, for quite some time. Many coaches have failed to be able to do this. It is obviously not as easy as people say it is. I fear we're watching a bad job unfold in front of our eyes with O. It does give me way more appreciation for the job Miles did when he got here. It does not change my opinion that it was time for him to go.
Do I think Miles deserved all the heat he got early on? No. But, if Miles doesn't mettle in the defense against Tennessee, and probably the offense, too, we don't lose our freaking 21 point lead. Plain and simple, we don't lose to Tennessee if Saban is still here. We likely go undefeated, and I personally think the media would have loved to have a Nick Saban / Pete Carroll match-up, where the last 2 BCS Champions meet up. Texas is the odd man out that year.
All of that is shoulda woulda coulda. The season was a disappointment, but that doesn't change the fact that Miles did a pretty good job.
2006 will always stick out in my mind. If Miles doesn't mess with Jimbo, we beat Auburn, even with the refs in their back pocket. That game was disgusting and completely on Miles. We were the best team in the country at the end of that season and I think we kill UF in the rematch in the SEC Championship. But again, shoulda, woulda, coulda.
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There remains a strong Saban contingent at LSU. Miles has his worst season in 08 at 8-5, including an OT loss to then #1 Alabama. Alabama is on the up and the program Saban built at LSU, Miles had then destroyed, according to the growing Saban faction.
That was Miles' first year where it was basically all his guys, and it was his worst season at LSU. He doesn't get a pass, but there was no reason to run him out of town either. The most alarming thing in hindsight was not having QB depth at LSU behind Perrilloux. And as everyone knows, this would become a theme for Miles after Saban's recruits were gone.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:02 am to LSUgal1988
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2011: the rubber match season. Miles and Saban are 2-2 against each other. The "Game of the Century" will settle once and for all who is the greatest coach in college football.
Case closed. The matter is settled. Miles is the superior coach. LSU goes on to defeat 8 ranked teams, including 3 teams that finished in the top 5. It is the greatest regular season in college football history.
I disagree that this was meant to decide who the better coach was. But for me, after this game, it at least should have shut up every single person bitching about Miles. He had proven he could sustain an elite program and coach with the best of them, and I thought all the Saban bemoaning our fans did should go away.
Then 1/9 happened, and it was absolutely inexcusable.
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Miles will never recover. Heart breaking losses to Bama in 2012 and 2014, aided by SEC officiating, distort many fans' perception of the program. 10 win seasons are simply a failure if they include a loss to championship winning Bama.
The true final straw for Miles was 2015 Bama. Undefeated #2 LSU travels to future national champion Bama. It was never a game, much like 1/9/12. The memories of that date are never fresher than after this game.
Those losses messed with the psyche of the team as much as the fan base. But it wasn't so much the record for Miles after that, it was the state of the program. We went from a top 5 program to a top 15 program, or worse. There's no denying that. Go look at where we landed in the final polls each year. If Miles maintained a program that was in the hunt for a New Years 6 bowl, year in and year out, he's still here. Problem is, he didn't. That has something to do with Saban and the program he built, yes. But it has a whole lot to do with Miles, his recruiting, and the psyche of the team, particularly after losing to Bama.
2015 was the death nail for Miles, yes. While you're exactly right that the Bama game was reminiscent of 1/9/12, it was more the Arkansas game and Ole Miss games, particularly after Joe leaked that his job was on the line. You saw a team with no heart.
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how can you fire a coach who has averaged over 10 wins a season for a decade? Some say emotion won the day after the A&M game but it was actually reason.
Wrong. Just wrong. 1) he was trending down at an alarming rate and we needed to get out ahead of it. See above. 2) reason did not win the day. Joe Alleva gave yet another example of why he is a bad AD. Listen to this:
Landry Football Podcast
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one screw up by Miles and it's over. That screw up came by way of a call I still can't understand. An SEC replay official rules the game is over. Auburn beats LSU and Miles walks off the field for the last time as a loser even though the last play he coached was a game winning TD for the Tigers.
That call was the right call. There is no argument that he didn't snap the ball in time. None. Miles last play at LSU was such a fitting capstone. Having to win it at the last possible moment, and poor clock management does him in.
It also wasn't the first screw up. After an off season where we were promised the world with the offense, we show up to Lambeau with a putrid offense for a team that absolutely had national championship talent.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:02 am to LSUgal1988
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The sudden turn against Orgeron by nearly all LSU fans is met by a more gradual awakening by many LSU fans: LSU is not entitled to greatness.
Don't disagree with really anything here. I think the sudden turn is more reflective of the shock O supporters are feeling at how poorly the program is being run. And it definitely provides greater appreciation for what Miles did when he got here. Especially with the hurricanes.
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Greatness was a gift Miles gave to the program. It may be many decades before greatness returns.
Greatness was a gift he maintained until 2011. Which, absolutely, was no easy feat. It will not be decades. You're delusional if you truly believe that. It may be the next decade, though I hope not.
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Hidden in the Trojan Horse of Baton Rouge are two destructive forces: envy and delusion.
This is very good. Both your writing, and your point.
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It is the inability of LSU fans to reason and to control their envy that led to where we are today.
Look no further than yourself: your ingratitude to Miles and your desire to be a program that wins a title every year. You destroyed LSU football.
LSU fans' envy, vitriol, and inability to be patient are in the recipe for disaster. No doubt. But, it is not a bad thing to desire championships every year. That absolutely should be the goal here. To expect championships every year and be furious if we don't get them is another matter. LSU was on a path where we participated in a national championship every 4 years. For a program of our caliber, it's not unreasonable to ask that that be sustained. Poor recruiting management and lack of adaptation had infinitely more to do with Miles no longer being here than fan ingratitude does.
LSU is not destroyed by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:12 am to Skooter
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That season was a disappointment for the team that we had. Our program was absolutely stacked and rolling. If Miles doesn't mettle with his coordinators, we go undefeated up to the SEC Championship Game.
You see that's the reason right there that's the Problem with you arse Clowns
Y'all think we have to go undefeated every fricking year!
And that's not the case. It played out and by 2011 we did go undefeated and won the SEC. Then the rematch in Title game happens. O well it's a game not the end of the world. But y'all wouldn't let it go from there.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:21 am to Skooter
One other thing Skooter,
11-2 in his first year and y'all complaining WoW!!
I bet this year you're raging.
We don't need fans like that.
Dreamers Lol
11-2 in his first year and y'all complaining WoW!!
I bet this year you're raging.
We don't need fans like that.
Dreamers Lol
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:46 am to Skooter
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It also wasn't the first screw up. After an off season where we were promised the world with the offense, we show up to Lambeau with a putrid offense for a team that absolutely had national championship talent.
When I watched LSU's first play from scrimmage lined up in the I-formation, I knew that it was going to be a rough year. It showed me that even after almost getting fired, Miles was still going to do everything his way. That was what lead to the downfall a few weeks later at Auburn.
As for the expectations of the fan base, I understand it but I don't at the same time.....if that makes any sense. I understand having high expectations coming off of good recruiting classes and talent on both sides of the ball year-in and year-out. But what makes me laugh is the sudden freak outs when the wins are not by enough points. As a Cajun fan, I would LOVE to experience a 10-win season and a New Year's Day bowl berth just once.
With that being said, LSU's leadership has become its ultimate downfall. Until the people at the top start making it about the school instead of about themselves, we will continue to see these kinds of results on the field.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:59 pm to 4EvEr Bo REIN
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Y'all think we have to go undefeated every fricking year!
And
I didn't say that at all. For THAT team, THAT year, the end result was disappointing. I should have said disappointing instead of a disappointment. It's a subtle difference, and I doubt you grasp it. Nevertheless, I went on to say we should have high hopes and tempered/reasonable expectations. We didn't make a BCS game with that team, and we absolutely should have. That was disappointing. As it turns out, we ended up having a top 10 match-up that was better than other bowls we could have gone to. And we skull drug Miami. It was awesome.
As an aside, it's painfully obvious that you know/are related to the OP. I would venture so far as to call you an alter, bUt I dOn'T tHiNk ThAt'S tHe CaSe.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:07 pm to theunknownknight
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Even IF he intercepted that,
He did. I know it, you know it , all the bama fans know it, every living person who saw that play knows it.
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there was very little time in the game
Just under 6 minutes left in the game. LOTS of time.
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we had to go all the way down field to score a touchdown
Ball should have been placed on the 32 or 33 yard line, LSU possession. With a possible momentum shift, after the interception, who the frick knows how the offense would have reacted after getting the ball back.
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We weren't moving the ball at all that day.
We had moved it enough to score 15 points up to that moment of the game. And again, who knows what may or may not have happened. That's why the game is 60 minutes, not 55 minutes and 55 seconds.
Bama got a gift with that blown call. One of many that game and one of many in games before and after that game.
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