re: A lot of people on here arguing the Ack vs. Jump choice by JJ

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I've seen how these "put our best pitcher in, in a situation he'd otherwise have no business being in, and hope it works out" decisions before. It usually doesn't go well.

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I've seen it go both ways.

Examples: Bertman pitching Ben McDonald in the 9th against Stanford at the 1989 CWS and Toy Cook taking him deep.

Madison Baumgardner throwing 5 shut out innings in relief to clinch the World Series on two days rest.

It was not an unprecedented move, happens all the time. If the championship game against UF last season had been closer, do you think JJ would have though twice of pitching Skenes in the 9th if LSU had a run or two lead?

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I've seen it go both ways.

Examples: Bertman pitching Ben McDonald in the 9th against Stanford at the 1989 CWS and Toy Cook taking him deep.

Madison Baumgardner throwing 5 shut out innings in relief to clinch the World Series on two days rest.

It was not an unprecedented move, happens all the time. If the championship game against UF last season had been closer, do you think JJ would have though twice of pitching Skenes in the 9th if LSU had a run or two lead?

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I've seen it go both ways, too. I've just seen it go sideways, more than any other way. If there was no other choice, I'd get it. Just didn't agree in that situation.

Do I think Jay would have gone to Skenes? Yeah. He was 3 days rest, not two, and he's an absolute horse with generational monster stuff. Jump is a guy who barely pitched at this level before this year, is in his first year back from surgery, was on two days rest, not three, and he's also not Paul Skenes.

I thought Jump would be an option if all other trusted arms were used up.

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He threw on Friday... Saturday, Sunday, and today would make 3 days. Just because he threw today does not mean he didn't rest for the majority. Especially considering he threw at 11am on Friday. He's working on over 72 hours of rest... math!

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You have literally made something up, that no one uses to define a day of rest. If you use that logic, then you would have to add a day to what is considered normal rest, because everyone understands that an entire day, which includes all important sleep, constitutes a day of rest. Not a few hours in a day. That's no one's definition of a day of rest. Have you recently started following baseball?

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You're making my point lol. More hits + less errors = winning ball games. I didn't say we never put balls in play. We did, some very hard hit... and guess what? They made the plays... we didn't make it when it mattered most. But most importantly if you don't hit it out there it can't be dropped. That's how errors work that how baseball works. Teams that deserve to win make more plays than teams that don't!!! "Well it was a bloop" another lazy arse argument.

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I know what your point was, friend. Taking your words to their logical conclusions, you seem to think that one team not making a mistake on a fly ball, or getting bloopers to fall in to score runs, means they deserve credit for the ball that wasn't caught, and also that they are better at luck. I know luck can go both ways, and if such were the case in this game, I would have pointed it out. But it didn't play out that way. And yes, I understand that you have to make plays on defense, and making less mistakes is part of winning. We agree on that point. But while you get credit for making a play, you don't take credit for someone else not making a routine play. That's being really fortunate. LSU made all the others plays, but no matter how many balls they hit hard, they were right at someone, and then when one guy makes a mistake, it costs us the game.

There is a difference between saying they didn't win the game, and saying they didn't deserve it. Sometimes you get handed a gift.

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It's almost like Jay's job is to know, coach, and recruit baseball players. Like your job isn't. I'm not gonna walk up to a businessman despite my basic knowledge of business (much less a top 5 businessman in the nation) and say hey Mr. Bezos you're running your businesses all wrong! Why? Because there's a reason he's the best at what he does and I'm not. If he makes a decision that doesn't work out, I'm not gonna sit here and talk about how I wouldn't have done that. Why? Because it's lazy and something only smooth brained hypocrites do... and most of the time it's not even true because they likely would've done the exact same thing. But guess what for every "bad" decision he makes he probably makes 100 good ones. I'll take those odds while others bitch about the 1 "bad" one

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Hey, it's almost like you beat up another strawman! Imagine that. I know, I know, you've never ever disagreed with someone who does something for a living that you don't do. You're the only person in the world who just accepts everything. I'm sure you've never complained about someone making a mistake, because, afterall, that person knows their job better than you, right? And you call me a hypocrite?

Have you read all of my posts? Did I not go out of my way to say that Jay is better at running a program than I would be? Did I ever say I was better than him? Did I not simply state one disagreement with him? It's an opinion that many coaches would share with me. People act like all coaches do it, because "a lot" of them do. How much is a lot? Because there are a lot of coaches who would ride with the hot hand, or who simply would object to pitching a guy on 2 days rest. So you can disagree with me, and that's fine. If I can disagree with others, they can do the same with me. At the end of the day, what Jay did was not anything to do with being an "expert", it was about a gut feeling and making a decision. If all coaches were always right, no one would ever get fired. You can think my decision in that situation would be wrong. You have that right, and so do I. Don't exaggerate my position to seem as though I think I know it all. You don't have the right to shut down all thought, because you think others aren't qualified to speak.

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There's no agenda in baseball like there is in politics. The agenda is to win games. Apples and oranges there.

You know Teddy Roosevelt gave a speech about people like you! It's now a poem called "Man in the Arena". You should read it.

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How do you know what the agenda is? You've never worked in office. You don't know the ins and outs. You don't know what conversations are happening. But you know the history of politics, you know the history of policies and how they work long term, and so you use that observational experience to make judgments. You don't think a person can have knowledge of the game, without being in the dugout? I'm not talking about running a whole program, but strategy. You think only a coach can understand strategy? That's a lazy argument that people have always used to put down anyone with a dissenting opinion. Because it requires no proof, no studies, no logic. Just a simple "you're not the coach, so you're dumb".

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I'm beginning to think it might help if you did drink.

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Nah, you'd have to come clean up my vomit. You don't want that.

Dutton shouldn’t be on the team