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re: 8 years with Les.....what are your thoughts....

Posted on 7/4/13 at 5:46 pm to
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 5:46 pm to
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Nope but 4th and 12, fake field goal. Really ?? Kick the frickin fg

OMG!! The FG attempt is blocked and returned for a touchdown. If that happens the Greek Chorus of you idiots would be screaming for a fake.

Your 20/20 hindsight is perfect as usual.

When a fake FG works, it is brilliance, when it doesn't, all of you arm chair coaches always know better.

You second guessing morons are really pathetic, but in an amusing sort of way.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13052 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 5:47 pm to
Gray tiger, I sometimes agree with your posts, but Your straw man arguments or hyperbolic exagerrations of the views of others are never very persuasive.
Nobody expects to go undefeated every year or dominate every game.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 5:54 pm to
Then what do you want? Get real, look around. LSU is a nationally dominate program. That doesn't just happen. All of you damn crybabies that fixate on what is negative are really a sorry lot.
Instead of celebrating the greatness ya'll find ways whine and cry.
Look at the total body of work and what you see is one damn strong program run by one damn strong coach.
Posted by PANTHER
Bunkie
Member since Oct 2004
2393 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:09 pm to
I did not call you an idiot. Opinions are opinions you have yours I have mine leave it at that
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7684 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:14 pm to
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Tiger Voodoo


thank you.

god bless america
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13052 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:29 pm to
I am no expert on anything, but have always thought the most important ingredients for success in CFB are talent, money and coaching. In that order. Those three factors can form a symbiotic relationship and sustain itself.
All three existed at LSU prior to Les and will survive him.
Look at recent artcles on top talent recruits in La., the instate competition for them and LSU's success rate in keeping them here. The fan base will always generate the money to sustain the hiring of top quality coaches.
In short, the skids are greased for any good coach to win here consistently.
Posted by Sheetbend
Member since Apr 2013
1267 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:30 pm to
Miles has the best coaching staff as a whole in college football.

Saban still has the best recruiting program at Alabama.

Urban Meyer is just getting started a Ohio St.
Posted by DIGGY
Member since Nov 2012
1917 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:33 pm to
In regards to strategy, preparedness, thoroughness, attention to every detail, holding players responsible for performance, hate for losing, hate for being "just good", playing against the perfect game, not getting caught up in anything "outside" the game (the hat persona et al), respect from other coaches etc
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15279 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:35 pm to
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Nobody expects to go undefeated every year or dominate every game.


Haven't been around here long? People on here say this all the time. Then the first time we hit any adversity at all their real agenda comes out.....anti Miles. Not pro-LSU. Not just "I want what's best for the program". A real, furious, hatred for the man. Stay tuned and watch closely next season. It may take 5 games but it will happen. And it's not pretty nor is it reality-based.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:36 pm to
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In the BCS era wins have never counted exactly the same




Count the same as in a win is a win whether it's by one or 30.

Do you think in 2011 a one point win by OSU over ISU would have kept them out of the BCS NCG?

quote:

Miles the Gameday coach often has the team underperform.





Right, the guy who has his teams leading the SEC in wins, leading the SEC in ten win seasons, leading the SEC in top ten finishes, leading the West in titles, and leading the SEC in titles since 2005 is underperforming.

As another poster stated, some of our fans are so fricking stupid you have to laugh.
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7684 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:36 pm to
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In short, the skids are greased for any good coach to win here consistently.


which coach has a better winning consistency than lm?

which future coach will do as well as clm?
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15279 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:37 pm to
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Posted by Pauldean
Red Stick by way of Syracuse
Member since Oct 2011
2639 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:41 pm to
Thread of the year, to date.

The delusion is strong here. "If it weren't for Les, LSU would have 4 Natty's since 2004...."
Etc, etc..blah blah.

This post was edited on 7/4/13 at 6:43 pm
Posted by Boudreaux in SF
silicon valley
Member since May 2005
530 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:44 pm to
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If the refs hadn't screwed up the pp7 int on 09 wouldn't les and Sabah be tied in head to head 4-4.


No, Les would be up 4-3. Saban at Bama for 6 yrs =
one game per year plus BCS game (6+1=7). LSU wins in 2007, 2010 and 2011.

Additionally, if the call had been an interception by PP7 in the 2009 game, LSU would still have had to score a TD thereafter to retake the lead from Bama (21-15 with about 6 minutes to go with the ball at the LSU 32), so it is not a given that LSU would have won the game in 2009. Big call that went the wrong way, but we will never know if it would have changed the outcome of the game.
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15279 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:53 pm to
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I am no expert on anything, but have always thought the most important ingredients for success in CFB are talent, money and coaching. In that order. Those three factors can form a symbiotic relationship and sustain itself. All three existed at LSU prior to Les and will survive him. Look at recent artcles on top talent recruits in La., the instate competition for them and LSU's success rate in keeping them here. The fan base will always generate the money to sustain the hiring of top quality coaches. In short, the skids are greased for any good coach to win here consistently.


I don't want to jump on you or make this personal. In a vacuum the things you said are basically true. But that's not reality. Coaching changes and coaching searches don't happen in a perfect setting. They are based on timing, availability, and sometimes just dumb luck. These factors don't fall in place and you got a problem. That money you talked about dries up when you begin to experience losing. The recruits? Haha. They're just kids. Kids that will often jump on the flavor of the month that's getting the ESPN airtime. There are no guarantees. That's why LSU fans should be enjoying these years more than complaining. It can fall apart....quickly sometimes.
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:03 pm to
the man decided to stay with us and dis his Alma Mater, an easier place to win


maybe in the 90's..

They'll be back, but when Wisconsin's winning Big 10 Championship after Big 10 Championship while OSU and Penn State're on probation, there's a problem in Ann Arbor. MSU, ND, and OSU gets Michigan kids every year at a higher rate than anyone school coming to LA, and LA has produced more NFL talent than Michigan (not just per capita). How's this a better job? Because they have a stale gameday experience?
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Michigan is way easier to recruit and win at than LSU. Hell even Brady Hoke will win 9-10 games a yr and hes no way near the recruiter Miles is. U have one big game every year and thats Ohio State, same for them BTW. Wisconsin and Penn State(not anymore) have an excellent team every 3-4 years. The rest have a great team about every 10 years. The SEC on the other hand is just as competitive in recruiting as it is on the field. The SEC is full of top 10 programs every yr in both. Urban Meyer bailed on Florida because he couldnt handle the stress of the SEC and he was at Florida, which is loaded with High School talent. He's an excellent coach and will win as many games as Saban moving forward but make no mistake he is not a SEC coach. He definitely wouldnt be able to coach at LSU and win as many games as Miles will. He only lasted what 6-7 yrs and 4 of those were with Tebow. He tried to QUIT on his contract the yr before he did. He had lost control down there and his way out to save his arse and his legacy was that his health was failing him. The poor family man could no longer coach, what a shame. But when easy OSU called, his mysterious illness was all of a sudden cured. Miles had the same opportunity when easy Michigan came calling with an open check book at that, but instead of QUITTING AND LYING about it, he stayed with us. He has now completed 8 years. Survived Katrina and saw his biggest city go from first in population to 3rd overnight, while Houston and several other Texas cities saw their populations rise. If he gets to play Notre Dame two yrs ago none of this crap is being said. But such is life. Theres no ifs and buts in sports and Miles knows this better than most. He never makes excuses, he just fields a terrific team yr in and yr out. He has outlasted them all except Spurrier and Richt, who barely made it thru 2011. He's special, a true warrior and a man of principal. The families of his recruits and his coaches have known this for years, sooner or later the rest of CFB will as well. U never see this guy sweat, he's a cool customer that has shown over and over that he can handle and prosper no matter what comes his way.
PS
Yeah the Big House is such a stale environment on game day and who could possibly believe they have more wins than any other school in CFB history.
Theres one coach who might win more games at LSU than Miles and he's a known liar and a jerk.
Trivia: How many of Saban's assistants came with him from MSU when he took the LSU job? Any that wouldve came with him wouldve received pay raises and wouldve better positioned themselves for promotions moving forward.
Hint <1. Has that ever happened before?

This post was edited on 7/4/13 at 7:17 pm
Posted by LSUzealot
Napoleon and Magazine
Member since Sep 2003
57656 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:04 pm to
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Tell me anyone who would not go back to their Alma Mater for way more pay and a place where they would win 8 games a yr asleep? The Michigan program at that time was at a 25-30 yr low and was the opportunity of a lifetime for anyone in the profession. Who wouldnt have hauled arse if that gig had fallen in their lap? What did Mr. Miles do? He decides to stay at LSU in the SEC West, yeah u know that place where Tuscaloosa resides, and compete against the best in the country. And his reward is..... he gets to listen to his own unappreciative fans belittle him on a weekly basis even in the off season. An off season that saw him bring in a tremendous and program changing OOS recruiting class and while doing all this, hires the best OC that was available. Do u think its an accident that Coach Stud takes the demotion and stays with this man when other OC and possible HC jobs were available to him? Its time to wake up people and realize just what u have here. Saban runs out on two programs and str8 up lies to both of his employers or would u rather have Urban Meyer , who couldnt even handle the stress of the SEC East. Its been 8 years and he's still standing with his morals and values intact and with a damn strong football team. Good 95% Bad 5%-(game day mgt and speaking with the press) LSU is so lucky to have this guy representing their school and the football program. He's not perfect, but tell me someone that is?


Preach brother

So happy to have Les as our coach. I'll admit after the Tennessee game in 2010 I was wondering WTF we were doing especially right after the 09 Ole miss debacle. Like most people at their own job, our coach learns from his mistakes.

I couldn't be happier to have Les on the sidelines representing LSU. Championships don't fricking grow on trees. It sucks one of the best coaches in modern college football history is in our division but Les has out coached him plenty of times.

To Les
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83005 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:23 pm to
The PP7 INT would've just led to another LSU punt I think. The offense was abysmal and was just not going to drive for a td.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83005 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:28 pm to
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We make 1 play with a defense full of Sunday starters in Death Valley - at Night. We play and LSU wins Natty

Meh. I don't presume at all that LSU wins the NC if we beat Bama last year. The team just wasnt that great. Inconsistent before and after the Bama game and beating UGA would've been a tall order.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13052 posts
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:34 pm to
Geaxjeux,
Your points about luck, timing etc are perfectly valid.
The can an have affected LSU fortunes, with Bo Rein being a perfect example.
However, talent, money and coaching, in that order, are the constants that most affect outcomes.
Louisiana has disproportionate talent and no instate competition for it. In the talent category, as one sports writer put it, there's LSU and then there's everybody else.
This is why expectations will always be sky high here.
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