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Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:25 pm to Choctaw
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Posted by Message Choctaw 8 years with Les.....what are your thoughts.... I love threads like this. They show the utter stupidity of some of our fanbase.
Agree.
If the refs hadn't screwed up the pp7 int on 09 wouldn't les and Sabah be tied in head to head 4-4.
Lsu played Bamako damn strong last year just a few bad plays here and there kept lsu from winning and possibly being in the national championship instead of Bamako.
I remember the hall an years. Go CLM.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:25 pm to Choctaw
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They show the utter stupidity of some of our fanbase.
They are easy to sniff out, they say things about game day decisions, etc...as if results don't matter. As if EVERY ounce of success is the result of some fluke.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:26 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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I lost a LOT of respect for Les and more for Alleva arising out of the way Les manipulated the faux Arky talks into a contract extension.
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Leveraging Arky for an extension ... the low points of his tenure.
I'll never understand someone begrudging someone else for improving their own employment situation. Or in this case, doing what any successful coach in the country would've done.
At least he didn't fake an illness, blame his family, and quit on his team.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:40 pm to bulldog95
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LSUBrad5277
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If the refs hadn't screwed up the pp7 int on 09 wouldn't les and Sabah be tied in head to head 4-4
it was a slive/al plant in the replay booth.
that game was STOLEN. slive is the guilty party b/c he continues to support all the al graduates in the sec offices.
I pray that a non-biased person replaces slive.
lsu has been screwed by the sec/slive and is still being screwed.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:41 pm to Mayhawman
Les Miles - 1 play and 1 ridiculous decision for a BCS Natty Bid away from having LSU as THE DYNASTY
We make 1 play with a defense full of Sunday starters in Death Valley - at Night. We play and LSU wins Natty.
If BCS computer spits out OSU like it should - LSU wins Natty.
Saban is considered the greatest coach ever. We are THAT close to having 3. Its as close as you can be. It is hard as hell to stay at the top like that. NOW - add in the Florida game and Bama's Schedule BS. Florida would have bit Bama a couple times
The argument can be made that given the schedules - Les has had more success vs. top teams.
We make 1 play. BCS spits out OSU we are the dynasty.
Les is doing a hell of a job.
We make 1 play with a defense full of Sunday starters in Death Valley - at Night. We play and LSU wins Natty.
If BCS computer spits out OSU like it should - LSU wins Natty.
Saban is considered the greatest coach ever. We are THAT close to having 3. Its as close as you can be. It is hard as hell to stay at the top like that. NOW - add in the Florida game and Bama's Schedule BS. Florida would have bit Bama a couple times
The argument can be made that given the schedules - Les has had more success vs. top teams.
We make 1 play. BCS spits out OSU we are the dynasty.
Les is doing a hell of a job.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:44 pm to MarlinMan
and here I thought this was going to be a well thought out synopsis of coach miles' tenure here
then you post this
then you post this
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-95+ % of all games are close (includes good and bad teams)
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:46 pm to DanglingFury
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At least he didn't fake an illness, blame his family, and quit on his team.
i'm guessing the first two excuses are meyer and the third is saban.
but, was that guy saying it was bad for miles to negotiate b/c of arky (proven that he had already been promised a raise,) but, ok for saban to lie and xmas surprise lsu to improve his status at Miami? i'm so confused w/ these hypocrites. - saban can screw lsu but miles can't get a raise???
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:47 pm to DanglingFury
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I'll never understand someone begrudging someone else for improving their own employment situation. Or in this case, doing what any successful coach in the country would've done.
There is nothing unprofessional about what he did. But it didn't feel right. I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:49 pm to blackjackjackson
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but, ok for saban to lie and xmas surprise lsu to improve his status at Miami? i'm so confused w/ these hypocrites. - saban can screw lsu but miles can't get a raise???
Very few agree with how Saban handled the situation. He should have been more upfront about it. So there's no hypocrisy really. More consistency than anything else.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 1:51 pm to Lee Chatelain
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Main negative for me is the game day coaching. Oh, so one of the most important parts of being a coach.
You mean the part about actually winning most of the games?
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:06 pm to Choctaw
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I love threads like this. They show the utter stupidity of some of our fanbase.
lets not leave out the blind homerism! Be fair!
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:15 pm to blackjackjackson
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At least he didn't fake an illness, blame his family, and quit on his team.
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i'm guessing the first two excuses are meyer and the third is saban
No, they're all Meyer.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:36 pm to nitwit
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I lost a LOT of respect for Les and more for Alleva arising out of the way Les manipulated the faux Arky talks into a contract extension
A friend for decades asked Les if he would talk with him about the vacant Arkansas head coach job.
Les talked to him and said thanks but no thanks.
LSU was coming off a two year period of 24-3 which was the most wins in college football, our first undefeated SEC and regular season in 50 years, and our second BCSCG appearence in five years.
Joe and LSU would have been an idiot not to have given Les some show of love.
Les would have been an idiot not to say I'll take it and thanks.
Anyone holding that out as some kind of big deal is an idiot.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:39 pm to DanglingFury
Les had a very generous contract with LSU that was highly negotiated. He agreed to comply with it and was happy with it.
Petrine was canned, one of Les' longtime friends (ark ad) called to see if Les would talk to them about the job. Les, instead of honoring his contract, and saying "no" , played along and contacted Alleva.
VOila: better contract terms.
Have some coaches elsewhere played this game,and leveraged better terms? Of course.
Is it ethical, loyal and does it go down well?
From where I sit, no, no and no.
I had a different view of Les' character after this...
Petrine was canned, one of Les' longtime friends (ark ad) called to see if Les would talk to them about the job. Les, instead of honoring his contract, and saying "no" , played along and contacted Alleva.
VOila: better contract terms.
Have some coaches elsewhere played this game,and leveraged better terms? Of course.
Is it ethical, loyal and does it go down well?
From where I sit, no, no and no.
I had a different view of Les' character after this...
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:43 pm to jacks40
This. Same applies to maneri. Who can we get that is better that is guaranteed to come here?
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:45 pm to MarlinMan
quote:Yep.
-game day coaching has been poor (strategy and use of players... Has gotten worse over the last 2 years)
-game day organization and discipline has been poor (penalties, delay of game, busted plays, use of time outs, etc)
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:53 pm to MarlinMan
I wish he'd keep his foot on the throttle and go for the throat more often but with that, I understand not every game should be a blowout. Having said that, I love him as LSU's coach.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:56 pm to MarlinMan
I think he's a damn good coach who will never quite get the accolades he deserves largely bc he had the misfortune of being in the same division with Saban and on the receiving end of the great mulligan.
The two-loss NC, the ugly offenses, the constant close games seemingly regardless of opponent...all that would be disregarded if the 2011 team got the NC it deserved.
The two-loss NC, the ugly offenses, the constant close games seemingly regardless of opponent...all that would be disregarded if the 2011 team got the NC it deserved.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:01 pm to Quentin Compson
Sometimes people seem to forget that an employment contract is a MUTUALcommitment of loyalty for the whole term.
Les negotiated a term, but decided to consider Arky overtures well prior to the end of the term. He agreed not to pursue talks with other if , wait, LSU would commit to him for an even LONGER term.
Alleva deserves at least half the blame for going along.
Strictly opinion: les' friend at Arky never thought Les would be interested ( and he wasn't) but created the charade to permit Les to negotiate some goodies.
Les negotiated a term, but decided to consider Arky overtures well prior to the end of the term. He agreed not to pursue talks with other if , wait, LSU would commit to him for an even LONGER term.
Alleva deserves at least half the blame for going along.
Strictly opinion: les' friend at Arky never thought Les would be interested ( and he wasn't) but created the charade to permit Les to negotiate some goodies.
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