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re: 50 years ago today LSU hired Dale Brown
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:12 pm to cypresstiger
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:12 pm to cypresstiger
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Dale haters are mostly younger people
False, I am almost 60 and attended LSU while Brown was coach, also went to games as a kid. I can’t stand him now or then.
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:12 pm to Heyes
Not true, Stanley was co-POTY with Alonzo Mourning the year before and CJ was one of if not the top guard recruit in the country. That entire roster along with the next couple were filled with players who were big time recruits. Plus he had the #1 overall player in Randy Livingston along with another McDonald’s AA Ronnie Henderson and couldn’t win 13 games despite having other solid contributors around them.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:16 pm to KC Tiger
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For those that aren’t familiar with the 81 team, I will just tell you that they were every bit as talented as the 89 team (Shaq, CJ, Stanley, etc).
Absolutely. We were seriously a thumb injury away from that title. Without a doubt the best all-around basketball team ever to put on the joisey at LSU.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:16 pm to I-59 Tiger
The Master Motivator
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:31 pm to Madking
I am not talking about how heavily recruited guys were coming out of high school. I don’t care if a seven footer playing against a Bunch of slow white guys in podunk Texas is the number one recruit in the country.
My point is the best teams in college have future NbA stars or superstars on them . The teams that win in the tournament will usually have an nba player or two on the roster in addition to a future NBA hall of famer.
Regardless of how heavily recruited Chris Jackson was or Stanley Robert’s or Rudy Macklin or Ronnie Henderson or Randy Livingston …. Nobody is talking about them going into the NBA hall of fame.
Teams that win in college have coaches who spot that unheard of or little known guy that becomes the next Tim Hardaway or David Robinson .
Dale Brown had only one of those guys … Shaq and Shaq’s game in college left a lot to be desired on the offensive side
To give you an example in football … remember Curley a Hallman grabbing the best running backs from five different states … Robert Toomer , Robert Davis , Archie Moore , and two guys I don’t even remember . None of them were anything more than serviceable running backs no matter how heavily recruited and highly rated they were
My point is the best teams in college have future NbA stars or superstars on them . The teams that win in the tournament will usually have an nba player or two on the roster in addition to a future NBA hall of famer.
Regardless of how heavily recruited Chris Jackson was or Stanley Robert’s or Rudy Macklin or Ronnie Henderson or Randy Livingston …. Nobody is talking about them going into the NBA hall of fame.
Teams that win in college have coaches who spot that unheard of or little known guy that becomes the next Tim Hardaway or David Robinson .
Dale Brown had only one of those guys … Shaq and Shaq’s game in college left a lot to be desired on the offensive side
To give you an example in football … remember Curley a Hallman grabbing the best running backs from five different states … Robert Toomer , Robert Davis , Archie Moore , and two guys I don’t even remember . None of them were anything more than serviceable running backs no matter how heavily recruited and highly rated they were
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:38 pm to I-59 Tiger
Dale's legacy - like the man himself is complicated and controversial.
Driven by emotion almost all that he is - is rooted in his upbringing where he felt the system and his father mistreated his meek and mild "saint of a mother". Any biography or story on Dale inevitably comes back to that. The NCAA, Kentucky or anyone who opposed him became either his father or the system that kept his mother down.
He spoke his mind - and his mind was really different than most so it did not always come off well when he did - he had almost no filter.
His attention span was short so basketball talk usually veered off to any number of off the wall topics.
He was and is capable of the most selfless acts of random kindness - more than I'll ever accomplish. But he could be as petty and vindictive as anyone as well and reportedly had a file on just about everyone he knew in his basketball office.
I was not a Dale apologist and I'm still not. His histrionics and eccentricities wore on me early to where even when I hear him now my eyes roll.
But his teams gave me some great memories that I'll cherish for a lifetime.
Driven by emotion almost all that he is - is rooted in his upbringing where he felt the system and his father mistreated his meek and mild "saint of a mother". Any biography or story on Dale inevitably comes back to that. The NCAA, Kentucky or anyone who opposed him became either his father or the system that kept his mother down.
He spoke his mind - and his mind was really different than most so it did not always come off well when he did - he had almost no filter.
His attention span was short so basketball talk usually veered off to any number of off the wall topics.
He was and is capable of the most selfless acts of random kindness - more than I'll ever accomplish. But he could be as petty and vindictive as anyone as well and reportedly had a file on just about everyone he knew in his basketball office.
I was not a Dale apologist and I'm still not. His histrionics and eccentricities wore on me early to where even when I hear him now my eyes roll.
But his teams gave me some great memories that I'll cherish for a lifetime.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Ugly
great synopsis. Well done. 
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:49 pm to KC Tiger
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For those that aren’t familiar with the 81 team, I will just tell you that they were every bit as talented as the 89 team (Shaq, CJ, Stanley, etc).
I'm not sure that is exactly right but they were very close.
I was a student at LSU then.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:55 pm to Heyes
We’ll that’s just not true and besides Shaq is a HOF player and arguably a top 3-5 player all time. Chris Jackson is the best scorer in the last 35 years and Stanley Roberts didn’t dominate slow white guys, he outplayed Alonzo Mourning 1 on 1 in the Dapper Dan game, both were NBA guys as well so your criteria applies to that group. Has it occurred to you that Brown stunted a lot of these kids development? I can rattle off 5-10 names during that short period of players who were productive during seasons then disappeared due to strange and indefensible personnel choices the next season or two. Go fire up some games on YouTube so you can brush away the nostalgic fog and you’ll see how poorly coached those teams were.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:11 pm to Madking
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I can rattle off 5-10 names during that short period of players who showed next level potential during seasons then disappeared due to strange and indefensible personnel choices the next season or two.
do it
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:13 pm to I-59 Tiger
Best basketball coach at LSU
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:19 pm to Topwater Trout
You think I don’t know this game? I name people you dismiss them, waste of time. I mean we have people dismissing All Americans, national record holders and NBA lottery picks in this thread already.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 1:45 pm to Madking
I am curious and want to know who bc you said you could name 5-10 off the top of your head.
The OOC schedules we played were brutal in the 80's and 90's. DB didn't pad win totals like WW has and that is a fact! The blue bloods had most of the talent back then.
The OOC schedules we played were brutal in the 80's and 90's. DB didn't pad win totals like WW has and that is a fact! The blue bloods had most of the talent back then.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:03 pm to Topwater Trout
I’m utterly surprised every single day at the times Dale Brown’s name is brought up on here.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 2:06 pm to rockynoggin
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False, I am almost 60 and attended LSU while Brown was coach, also went to games as a kid. I can’t stand him now or then.
I’m 57 and can’t stand the guy…and he cheated wayyyyy more than Wade could even dream of. And yet Dickie V loved him because Dale sucked up to him.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:03 pm to Madking
I said over and over that Shaq was Dale Browns one (1) superstar exception in the NBA . Chris Jackson wasn’t . He got his shorts handed to him by Hardaway in the tournament and that should have been a tell all on his future NBA career . He was a decent player at the NBA level but certainly no where near the super star college status he had . I could name thirty players in the SEC that had better careers than Jackson in the NBA . Here are a few … Corliss Williamson at Arkansas , Barkley , Chris Morris and Chuck Person at Auburn . Robert Horry , Latrell Sprewell T R Dunn , Leon Douglas and Reginald King at Alabama . Dominique Wilkins and Vern Fleming at Georgia . Moten and Maxwell at Florida . Mike Phillips and Rick Robey , Sam Bowie and Melvin Turpin Rex Chapman and Kenny Walker at Kentucky . Ernie and Bernie at Tennessee . These are all players during Dale Browns tenure at Lsu that we competed against and obviously had some success against. Dale brown did make two final fours and two more elite eights . I just think he did it with some really good college players but not exactly future NBA superstars and history shows that to win it all in the tourney you need future NBA superstars
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:14 pm to Topwater Trout
“The OOC schedules we played were brutal in the 80's and 90's. DB didn't pad win totals like WW has and that is a fact!”
1989-90 non conf
Southern Miss
Lamar
Hardin-Simmons
Mcneese
Northwestern St.
1988-89
Marist
Oral Roberts
La. tech
Mcneese
Morehead St.
Nebraska
87-88
Nichols
Southern
Arky St.
Texas St.
Northern Iowa
Sure we played some marquee non conf games, Brown was great at getting those but the non conf was nowhere near “brutal” and the SEC was nothing compared to now.
We faced 7 ranked opponents between 88-89 and the 89-90 seasons, we faced that many this year alone. So no it’s not a “fact”
1989-90 non conf
Southern Miss
Lamar
Hardin-Simmons
Mcneese
Northwestern St.
1988-89
Marist
Oral Roberts
La. tech
Mcneese
Morehead St.
Nebraska
87-88
Nichols
Southern
Arky St.
Texas St.
Northern Iowa
Sure we played some marquee non conf games, Brown was great at getting those but the non conf was nowhere near “brutal” and the SEC was nothing compared to now.
We faced 7 ranked opponents between 88-89 and the 89-90 seasons, we faced that many this year alone. So no it’s not a “fact”
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:35 pm to Heyes
Corliss Williamson did not have a better pro career than CJ. His best year wasn’t as good as CJs best 3 and CJ had 3 other seasons that were better than Corliss’ second best year.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:38 pm to Heyes
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Moten and Maxwell at Florida . Mike Phillips and Rick Robey
Andrew Moten and Mike Phillips,while drafted, never played in the NBA.
I know how so many here relish the opportunity to bash LSU athletics and the "Dale Brown" carrot was just too much for some. But saying players like Leon Douglas,Melvin Turpin,Reggie King and TR Dunn had better NBA careers is crazy.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:45 pm to Madking
quote:
1989-90 non conf
Southern Miss
Lamar
Hardin-Simmons
Mcneese
Northwestern St.
You're leaving out Kansas, Notre Dame, Loyola Marymount and UNLV,eventual national champion that year,
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