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3rd down and Red Zone

Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:27 am
Posted by tiger nutz
Madison
Member since Oct 2005
911 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:27 am
I think through 3 games our offense has produced and is playing better than expected with a new QB. Also they show they are getting better every game but if our 3rd down and Red Zone offense is struggling and this is Scott Linehan's part of the offense why can't we just let Ensminger call the entire game??

Also our defense looks lost out on the field and when the players don't know where to be on the field then that is the coach's fault. Need to see tremendous improvement over the next 2 games on defense or find a new DC simple as that!

Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4163 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:32 am to
It basically boils down to being able to run the ball. We can’t run the ball and are complete crap at it. If they can fix that, then I’ll bet 3rd down completion will get better. It should also help the defense. Give them time to breathe and go over things on the sidelines.

I’m as pissed as any fan right now but if we can get better at running the ball, everything else will START to fall in place. It will not make this defense top half in the country but if we can get close to average, it’ll be good enough. We need to show improvement and carry these improvements in to 2021.

On a side note, there is no reason that Gilbert and Marshall shouldn’t be on the field every single offensive play. That’s ridiculous and falls on Ensminger.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25513 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:35 am to
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We can’t run the ball and are complete crap at it.


Our RB's are averaging 4.6YPC. Last year it was 4.9YPC.

The difference is last year we were a team that was near 50/50.
This year we are more 70/30 pass/run.
We run the ball just fine most of the time. Problem is, we hardly ever run the damn ball. I do'nt understand this notion that we aren't a good running team. Are you just looking at our total yards and thinking we aren't good at it?
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29266 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:37 am to
quote:

find a new DC simple as that


it's not that simple. Pelini costs too much to fire at this point as far as the top brass are concerned.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:37 am to
quote:

why can't we just let Ensminger call the entire game??

Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9036 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:37 am to
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This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 12:26 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66463 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:41 am to
Bad take
Posted by tiger nutz
Madison
Member since Oct 2005
911 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Pelini costs too much to fire at this point as far as the top brass are concerned.


So if we hire a bust we need to sit on him and let the program suffer because of it?? You can't do that if you want to run a good program
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29266 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:49 am to
it would cost LSU 7 million for him to not coach.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28336 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:03 pm to
They were 3-3 in the red zone vs. MSU; 3-4 vs. Vandy and 3-4 vs. Missouri.

The one missed RZ scoring opportunity vs. Vandy was at the end of the game when LSU was just running out the clock. Then, obviously the big one vs. Mizzou. Take away the Vandy one where LSU didn't try to score and you're looking at 91% in red zone scoring.

3rd downs haven't been good...at all. But it hurts when you are constantly facing 3rd and long. LSU's average yards to gain on 3rd Down vs. Mizzou was 9. Certainly, you would expect to do better than zero. But it's hard to be great on 3rd down when you are facing long yardage. Mizzou was 5-10, but their avg. yards to gain was 6. Mizzou only converted two third downs where the yards to gain was 6 or greater. Outside of the goal line stand, LSU only faced three 3rd downs 5 yards or less.

LSU is 4th in the nation in % of pass to run (61% passes). More concerning is the fact they are 4th to last in % of yards gained on the ground. The running game is virtually non existent, which is forcing Brennan into a log of 3rd and long situations

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9341 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

Our RB's are averaging 4.6YPC. Last year it was 4.9YPC.

That number is heavily skewed by the Vandy game, where the RB’s averaged 5.3 YPC. They averaged 3.2 YPC against Mizzou and 4.3 YPC against Miss State.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25513 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

LSU is 4th in the nation in % of pass to run (61% passes)


Take out Brennans runs and add them to the passing category, b/c just about all of them but 1 or 2 were designed runs for him. The rest are sacks or him escaping the pocket.
so take 15 attempts from the rushing category, and add them to the pass plays.
Now we are at 148 passing plays to 75 running plays. 66% passing plays called thus far.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25513 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

That number is heavily skewed by the Vandy game, where the RB’s averaged 5.3 YPC. They averaged 3.2 YPC against Mizzou and 4.3 YPC against Miss State.



It's also skewed by the -36 total yards that Brennan has "run" for.
Take that out and see what you get. He had -2 against Mizzou, 3 against Vandy, -37 against MSU.

Notice i said our RB's, not our running game, when i said we are averaging 4.6ypc.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted by cj35
Member since Jan 2014
6153 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:14 pm to
Then let him and Ensminger coach the BBQ and Orgeron coach the gumbo.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

it's not that simple. Pelini costs too much to fire at this point as far as the top brass are concerned.


yes, pretty simple.....
after this year his buy-out can be negotiated.

Lack of ticket sales will be more expensive.
Posted by PokerPastime
Member since Jan 2009
2437 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:47 pm to
The 2 big things Coach O talked about coming out of fall camp was the defense and running game we’re going to be the strengths of the 2020 Tigers. Really makes you wonder.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

our defense looks lost out on the field and when the players don't know where to be on the field then that is the coach's fault.


Players have blame also. When an offensive player doesn't know where to line up it's his fault.

quote:

why can't we just let Ensminger call the entire game??


good question. not impressed with Linehan
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

was the defense and running game we’re going to be the strengths of the 2020 Tigers. Really makes you wonder.


well they both suck so against each other they both may look great at times in practice
Posted by PokerPastime
Member since Jan 2009
2437 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:56 pm to
Right but don’t you existed a national championship winning SEC head coach to be astute enough to recognize that?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9341 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

It's also skewed by the -36 total yards that Brennan has "run" for.
Take that out and see what you get. He had -2 against Mizzou, 3 against Vandy, -37 against MSU.

Notice i said our RB's, not our running game, when i said we are averaging 4.6ypc.

The numbers I posted already excluded Brennan’s rushing yards and attempts.
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