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re: 3 yrs later, we all agree it wasn't pass interference...
Posted on 10/22/09 at 4:37 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 10/22/09 at 4:37 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Since you conceded the point it was practically simutalneous action on the ball and play, you saying now "nail the eligible receiver whenever he wants" makes you sound like even more of a dumbass.
Where did I do that, exactly?
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when two players or MORE make a play on the ball simutalneously (including batting it), it is not PI.
It is not simultaneous. It is not even close. Contact was initiated well before the ball arrived. Anyone can see that, except for you and xiv. Further damning to your point is that the defender that initiated contact WAS NOT playing for the ball.
Answer this question:
If a defender tackles a receiver, while the ball is in the air, but another defender arrives to tip the ball before it hits the ground, is that PI?
Also, you have ignored this question:
Why was LSU penalized earlier in the game for the exact same thing? LSU picked a pass off, but another LSU defender was mugging the receiver, while the ball was in the air and before the ball was touched by another defender. Flag, 15 yards, no pick. The situation LSU fans are "whining" about is the same exact thing. You and xiv are suggesting that as long as the ball gets tipped by someone, somewhere on the field, contact with eligible receivers is ok. The rules do not agree with this interpretation, in any way. But that's fine. Keep spouting about "two or more players" and "simultaneous contact" when all evidence points to the contrary. This wasn't a jump ball, where everyone was trying to get it. Doucet's fair opportunity to catch the pass was impeded by a defender holding his arm down and beginning to tackle him. Only after that was the ball tipped.
Note that I have never stated that this call cost LSU the game. I just believe, and will always believe, that it was a bad call; nothing more. LSU still had opportunities in that game after this penalty. Regardless, it'll be 3 losses in a row this weekend (both to LSU and for the season) for your precious Auburn.
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Posted on 10/22/09 at 5:14 am to DrEdgeLSU
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Note that I have never stated that this call cost LSU the game. I just believe, and will always believe, that it was a bad call; nothing more. LSU still had opportunities in that game after this penalty. Regardless, it'll be 3 losses in a row this weekend (both to LSU and for the season) for your precious Auburn.
I have already said that AU got the benefit of the doubt on questionable calls in this game, so end of discussion.
It remains a joke and disgrace that LSU fans WHINE and WHINE and WHINE and WAH WAH like little girls over this shite 3 years later.
Let me help you, no one gives a shite and you have made fools of yourself for years and disgraced your fan base for being hypocrits and babies about it. I seriously believe all the bullshite and hypocrisy (example telling UGA to quit bitching when they got screwed by the refs) LSU fans have spewed about (1) Refs. (2) ESPN bias against LSU (3) negativity for a solid team, has lessened the respect all SEC fans have for LSU and their fans.
So congrats. If that was the goal of the endless bitching, I say job well done.
This post was edited on 10/22/09 at 5:15 am
Posted on 10/22/09 at 5:24 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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It remains a joke and disgrace that LSU fans WHINE and WHINE and WHINE and WAH WAH like little girls over this shite 3 years later
Funny coming from an Auburn fan with almost 8000 posts in 2 years on an LSU message board, LOL.
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all the bull shite and hypocrisy (example telling UGA to quit bitching when they got screwed by the refs)
Completely different scenario considering we got the same penalty called against us, so it didn't actually give us any unfair advantage, we just capitalized on the penalty and UGA didn't.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 6:14 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Let me help you, no one gives a shite and you have made fools of yourself for years and disgraced your fan base for being hypocrits and babies about it.
Seriously?
Go look at your pitiful fan base. That very same year, an LSU team that Auburn "beat" was given an at-large BCS bid over Auburn. In fact, Auburn beat the two SEC schools to get BCS bids. Auburn fans are still not over that.
Regardless, I love the way you ignored the questions in the post to keep repeating the same old tired "LSU fans are whiners blah blah blah" crap because you cannot (or will not) refute what was said in direct response to your comments. This is what makes you guys look dumb -- not only do you come in here with your poorly crafted arguments, you don't even have the balls or backbone to back them up when remotely challenged.
LSU-Auburn has been a solid series since 1995, save a few games on either side. Considering the scores of the past 5 games (10-9, 20-17, 7-3, 30-24, 26-21), I think this will be a good game. What I hate most is that in crucial moments of college football games, questionable calls ruin the moment -- they bring to bear a feeling of getting screwed. So, outside of those moments, either team in this rivalry has been within 6 points of victory for the past 5 years. ONE bad call against EITHER team can go a long way in preventing that from happening. It's not like we are talking about a bad call in a 38-14 romp that didn't affect anything.
Regardless, I could care less at this point about the outcome of that game. What I do care about is this:
1) Integrity of calls in a CFB game
2) LSU beating Auburn's lame asses all over the field on Saturday night
Posted on 10/22/09 at 6:16 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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example telling UGA to quit bitching when they got screwed by the refs
Most reasonable UGA fans and the media here in GA have been 100x more critical of the UGA play in that game than the refs. Sure, the call was questionable, but so was allowing a 39-yd kickoff return plus a procedure penalty. That call was weak, so was the one on LSU. Regardless, LSU made the plays to win in this game. They didn't make the plays to win at Auburn in 2006. Too bad.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 7:37 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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WHINE and WAH WAH like little girls over this shite 3 years later.
Let me help you, no one gives a shite and you have made fools of yourself for years and disgraced your fan base for being hypocrits and babies about it. I seriously believe all the bullshite and hypocrisy (example telling UGA to quit bitching when they got screwed by the refs) LSU fans have spewed about (1) Refs. (2) ESPN bias against LSU (3) negativity for a solid team, has lessened the respect all SEC fans have for LSU and their fans.
So congrats. If that was the goal of the endless bitching, I say job
Sonnyboy, from the tone of this little missive I would say that it bugs you NO END to hear about the royal screwing LSU got from the officials that day. It reminds you that the big feather in AU's cap that year was handed to them on a silver platter by the SEC "officials"
Posted on 10/22/09 at 7:39 am to DrEdgeLSU
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Regardless, LSU made the plays to win in this game. They didn't make the plays to win at Auburn in 2006. Too bad.
Actually LSU DID make the plays to win at Auburn. Those plays were taken away by the officials EVERY TIME ONE WAS MADE. You can deny it until doomsday sonnyboy, it won't make it true.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 7:40 am to xiv
I can't believe this pointless, irrelevant thread has been humored for 7 pages.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 7:51 am to Jrv2damac
Clean call.......no contact Great job by the refs.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:19 am to xiv
I think it is hilarious that people still debate this game.
The fact that this game was so obviously officiated in favor of one team is laughable to even discuss. Seriously. We can concentrate on one call, in which the semantics of that call CAN be debated, but the fact that at least 8-10 other obvious calls were made/ignored seems to go by the wayside.....which is amazing when you consider that a couple of the calls were on instant replay.
I will type this one more time for the masses. This was told to me by someone close to, well, shall we say, the SEC and its officials.
"Football is entertainment and should be treated as such".
The 2006 LSU at Auburn game was entertaining, right?
The answer: Yes.
Now move on with your life.
The fact that this game was so obviously officiated in favor of one team is laughable to even discuss. Seriously. We can concentrate on one call, in which the semantics of that call CAN be debated, but the fact that at least 8-10 other obvious calls were made/ignored seems to go by the wayside.....which is amazing when you consider that a couple of the calls were on instant replay.
I will type this one more time for the masses. This was told to me by someone close to, well, shall we say, the SEC and its officials.
"Football is entertainment and should be treated as such".
The 2006 LSU at Auburn game was entertaining, right?
The answer: Yes.
Now move on with your life.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:24 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I have already said that AU got the benefit of the doubt on questionable calls in this game,
So you admitting that AU got the benefit of calls, means they never happened? They did, they cost us the game. We made mistakes in play calling, but should have won anyway. It cost us a NC, which will cause fans to remember, and still be bitter about it. Two things contribute to these feelings "3 YEARS LATER". The first is that we play AU in 3 DAYS. The second is the suspension of the refs from the Ark-Fla game for bad officiating. The SEC office acted like little homer bitches after our game, by siding with the calls. They cited a rule which did not cover all of the facts. They even sided with GA recently w/o knowing all of the facts, by reviewing a limited view of tv coverage.
[quote]so end of discussion.
You don't get to end discussions by LSU fans on an LSU board. Your lucky to still be allowed to post, FLAMER.
[quote]It remains a joke and disgrace that LSU fans WHINE and WHINE and WHINE and WAH WAH like little girls over this shite 3 years later.
What's worse is an AU fan still defending/flaming about it 3 YEARS LATER.
This post was edited on 10/22/09 at 8:25 am
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:29 am to Good Times
Let's not forget on AU's touchdown drive a WR dropped a pass on 3rd down, but they ruled it a completion. 
This post was edited on 10/22/09 at 8:30 am
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:39 am to Chimlim
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Let's not forget on AU's touchdown drive a WR dropped a pass on 3rd down, but they ruled it a completion.
And the play where AU's WR fumbled after a completion, only to be called down. AU missed a FG 4 plays later.
Or the holding call on a lineman with a cast on his hand after LSU had another long play in AU territory.
Or the numerous late hits that were never called.
The PI in the EZ before HT. Quite obvious.
The Hester "fumble".
The LSU INT, which amazingly mirrored the play that XIV is using to taunt his fellow tiger fans.
There were others, all right! LOL
Good game, though.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:51 am to xiv
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We all agree that it wasn't pass interference and probably was defensive holding.
who is "we all"? seems like you are about the only one that thinks this.
it doesn't matter. either way though. nobody here has any intentions of trying to reverse the outcome of that game.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 9:26 am to Baloo
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When in question, a legal forward pass is catchable.
quote:Right-o.
So xiv's argument hinges that the ball was "obviously" not catchable.
quote:Was he tackled? I think contact was made, and Doucet fell down. I don't think he was tackled.
Rule 9-1-2-f should apply as a defender was tackling a receiver on an obviously uncatchable ball. That is a personal foul.
quote:...about 10 feet.
the ball was catchable (all he had to do was extend his arms)
So yes, Baloo, my interpretation of this play/rules is that the ball was obviously uncatchable, contact or no contact, and that the contact that was made wasn't a tackle though it did cause Doucet to fall. Therefore, I (hopefully) would have called illegal contact downfield, five yards, automatic first down, LSU.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 9:33 am to xiv
Good to know you guys can let things go so well
Posted on 10/22/09 at 9:36 am to xiv
While I think you are completely misreading "uncatchable" and reading the phrase about giving the benefit of the doubt that a ball is catchable completely out of the rules, let's grant your premise for a quick second again. I think your premise misreads the rules in three places (also the first phrase about it being PI until the ball is touched is completely ignored by you), but let's just go with it.
You admit the ball was "obviously" uncatchable. Here's the rule again:
“No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward pass to him obviously is not catchable. This is a personal foul and not pass interference.”
You've just admitted, by your own argument, it was a 15 yard penalty. The Auburn defender is quite clearly, at the very least, running into the LSU receiver. the ball is "obviously" not catchable by your own admission.
Personal foul. 15 yards.
You admit the ball was "obviously" uncatchable. Here's the rule again:
“No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward pass to him obviously is not catchable. This is a personal foul and not pass interference.”
You've just admitted, by your own argument, it was a 15 yard penalty. The Auburn defender is quite clearly, at the very least, running into the LSU receiver. the ball is "obviously" not catchable by your own admission.
Personal foul. 15 yards.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 9:40 am to Baloo
quote:That wasn't a running-into. It was arms flailing. There was no body collision. We're talking about "busy hands" here. I still think it's a 5-yarder.
“No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward pass to him obviously is not catchable. This is a personal foul and not pass interference.”
Posted on 10/22/09 at 9:42 am to xiv
Hell yeahh it wasnt pass interference.
After that game, i had the worst feeling in my stomach, BULLSHITTT!
After that game, i had the worst feeling in my stomach, BULLSHITTT!
Posted on 10/22/09 at 9:50 am to xiv
You're hinging your argument on this:
Really? That's essentially stating that even if the other Auburn defender was not there, it is not PI because it was just "arms flailing". But you already conceded earlier it is defensive holding, which is certainly encompassed in the definition of "tackling or running into". but now you are claiming it is just "arms flailing". You keep moving the goalposts in your staggering intellectual dishonesty.
You have already admitted all of the elements of a personal foul, so I'm done with your trolling thread.
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It was arms flailing.
Really? That's essentially stating that even if the other Auburn defender was not there, it is not PI because it was just "arms flailing". But you already conceded earlier it is defensive holding, which is certainly encompassed in the definition of "tackling or running into". but now you are claiming it is just "arms flailing". You keep moving the goalposts in your staggering intellectual dishonesty.
You have already admitted all of the elements of a personal foul, so I'm done with your trolling thread.
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