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re: 2nd Greatest LSU Football Player Ever
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:37 pm to Godfather1
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:37 pm to Godfather1
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Glenn Dorsey
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He certainly had a more decorated career. And also won a NC.
You can't be serious
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:37 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Mathieu might be the best overall football player I've seen, period! So I'll go with him.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:38 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Jacob Hester
Tommy Casanova
Tommy Casanova
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:41 pm to lsu2006
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You can't be serious
I'm dead serious.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:42 pm to cajdav1
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Of not for an arm injury he would also be an NFL hall of famer.
The injury that ended Bert's career was actually a neck injury, not too long after he was voted the NFL MVP. Bellichick (sp?) always mentions Bert when he talks about the NFL's best quarterbacks.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:44 pm to Godfather1
Can you explain how Dorsey was more decorated than Cannon and why the fact that Dorsey won a title strengthens your argument? You know Cannon won the Heisman AND a title, right?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:44 pm to BillF
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The injury that ended Bert's career was actually a neck injury, not too long after he was voted the NFL MVP. Bellichick (sp?) always mentions Bert when he talks about the NFL's best quarterbacks.
plus Marchibroda, or whoever the HC was didn't help, I think he ended his career on a Monday night in a game he shouldn't have played in
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:46 pm to lsu2006
Look it up.
In terms of hardware and honors, Glenn Dorsey is the most decorated player in LSU history.
And like Cannon, he helped bring home a NC. That's what I meant to say. May have phrased it poorly.
In terms of hardware and honors, Glenn Dorsey is the most decorated player in LSU history.
And like Cannon, he helped bring home a NC. That's what I meant to say. May have phrased it poorly.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:47 pm to Godfather1
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In terms of hardware and honors, Glenn Dorsey is the most decorated player in LSU history.
lot more honors to win these days, every kid gets a trophy remember?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:49 pm to 777Tiger
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lot more honors to win these days, every kid gets a trophy remember?
Which is why trying to pick a GOAT is pretty much an impossible task. 30 years ago, I could've shown you oldtimers who would've said that Gus Tinsley or Doc Fenton were greater players than Cannon. The game has evolved and it's a subjective thing.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:50 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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True, it was a different era lsu2006, but a player like Billy Cannon would have shined in any era, the guy was a legend in his time and would be a legend in any other time. And the fact that back then players would play on offense and defense was a testament to their durability and athleticism.
Yeah, but you have to think about it. Fewer games, way less behemoths to deal with, way less athletes, speed freaks, and freaks of nature to deal with. IMO, they were great, but the competition as a whole, is nowhere near what it is today. The legends back then we're as good as the legends today, but they played against far weaker opposition. They also got to do whatever they wanted. A lot more rules to hinder players today.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:52 pm to Godfather1
Winning a bunch of defensive awards that didn't exist in the 50's doesn't convince me of anything, sorry.
Cannon was regarded by most everyone as the clear best player in college football two years in a row and was inches from winning 2 straight titles. Won the UPI and Sporting News player of the year in 58 and 59, finished third in Heisman voting in 58 and won in 59.
Cannon was regarded by most everyone as the clear best player in college football two years in a row and was inches from winning 2 straight titles. Won the UPI and Sporting News player of the year in 58 and 59, finished third in Heisman voting in 58 and won in 59.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:53 pm to lsu2006
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Winning a bunch of defensive awards that didn't exist in the 50's doesn't convince me of anything, sorry.
Well then, I guess it's a good thing that I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm stating an opinion. Which is all any of this is.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:55 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Probably Cassanova. 3 time All American and a member, first team, of the SEC all century team when it came out.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:56 pm to Godfather1
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Which is why trying to pick a GOAT is pretty much an impossible task. 30 years ago, I could've shown you oldtimers who would've said that Gus Tinsley or Doc Fenton were greater players than Cannon. The game has evolved and it's a subjective thing.
don't know about that, I've never heard a strong argument for those guys, though I did work with Gaynell Tinsley III at the Bengal, Cannon, Tittle, and to a lesser extent, Van Buren seem to always be in the argument, they were all pretty damn good though
ETA: left out Tommy
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 5:57 pm to 777Tiger
I used to know real oldtimers that swore that Doc Fenton put them all to shame. Of course, it wasn't even the same game back then.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 6:01 pm to Godfather1
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I used to know real oldtimers that swore that Doc Fenton put them all to shame
yeah, suppose so, that jogs my memory of my Dad telling me about the amazing feats of some of these guys when I was a kid
Posted on 6/10/14 at 6:03 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Yeah, but you have to think about it. Fewer games, way less behemoths to deal with, way less athletes, speed freaks, and freaks of nature to deal with. IMO, they were great, but the competition as a whole, is nowhere near what it is today. The legends back then we're as good as the legends today, but they played against far weaker opposition. They also got to do whatever they wanted. A lot more rules to hinder players today.
Any time there are discussions of who was the best, the opinions are going to be subjective. Truth is, absolutely no one knows who is the best when comparing players from different eras. A case in point was the mention of Ted Williams. Players then had much tougher travel conditions, played a lot more doubleheaders, but also didn't face relief pitchers, and the slider was an unknown pitch.
There are arguments, pro or con, for the "best," but it's all subjective. I happen to think Casanova was the best LSU player of all time, but I can understand why some may believe it's Faulk or someone else. Fifty years from now, some old fart will say Fournette is the best of all time because he was young and impressionable when he saw Fournette play as a Tiger. There is just no "right or wrong" answer when it comes to such things.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 6:04 pm to 777Tiger
Buga 
Posted on 6/10/14 at 6:05 pm to BillF
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BillF
this is no place for rational, level headed thinking
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