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re: 2007 LSU vs FL, the day I became a Miles believer
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:26 am to lsuexpert57
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:26 am to lsuexpert57
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2008 LSU vs FL, the day I became a Miles skeptic
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:27 am to Chazz Reinhold
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When his team is great, he still brings them down. Just imagine how good we would have been without him.
I honestly think the 2005 and 2006 teams where the most talented in the country and that LSU has ever had. Yet they both ended the year with 2 losses.
To me, those records with those teams, were a clear sign of things to come. While alot of the Tiger nation rejoiced, some of us saw the results and knew it was a major opportunity lost instead of a successful 2 loss season.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:27 am to Tyger1919
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Ole Miss last year and Tenn this year is when i became a believer LM is an idiot
You left off the Arizona St. even though it was a win & Tennesse in his first year.
The Auburn game in his 2nd year. Should of won that game dispite of bad referee calls. Those should not have even been a factor.
Kentucky, Arkansas, and Auburn his third year. Horrible play calling/game management. The Auburn game was won by complete luck, same shite, clock running, can't get a play in, and Fynn throws up a prayer and luckily Byrd catches it. Miles acts like that was planned....yea fricking right!
Most of the 2008 season. Just bad playing, coaching, managment. Almost lost to Troy, got arse kicked by Ole Miss, shoulda beat BAMA.
2009 season, not a whole lot better. Lose to Miss St. had we not had Chad Jones, crappy playing against UGA, shoulda beat Bama again, play like shite against LA Tech, Ole Miss, don't get me started, almost lost to Arkansas, and Penn State don't get me started again.
Miles is such a cluster frick he has managed to lose about 10 games b/c he's an idiot and doesn't know how to manage a fricking game.
It's like when that great coach was asked "Are you worried about playing this great LSU basketball team?" His Response, "They are great, but then I look down and see who's coaching them..." i.e. Dale Brown!!!
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:28 am to lsuexpert57
This is the one game in Les Miles tenure that I can point to that I truly believe Nick Saban would have lost that he won.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:29 am to kgriff
Honestly, as long as we can go win 10+ games a year and compete for a SEC title/National Championship every 3~4yrs I don't care if he a monkey or a bannana or whatever. As long as he can win I'm fine..but if he losses another 4 games this year then he's screwed.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:33 am to Lee Chatelain
Lee Chatelain 
You nailed it. Some of us saw this and knew where we were really going, even while Miles was holding the crystal football.
He walked into the best situation ever.
You nailed it. Some of us saw this and knew where we were really going, even while Miles was holding the crystal football.
He walked into the best situation ever.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:33 am to lsuexpert57
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To make an idiotic statement like Miles time management skills aren't an issue because those situations are "rare" is absurd.
Sorry if you got your feelings hurt. I never said they weren't an issue, and he certainly has much room for improvement there, but as far as how they affect your team's overall record its a minor thing.
For example, you can coach an end of game scenario perfect every time and lose anyway. Say JJ had clocked it and we had run a play on 4th and failed. Well that happens now doesn't it? End of game situations like this one ARE rare, maybe one a year for your team. You can coach them all perfect and still lose because mostly it comes down to fate and talent.
I would MUCH prefer to have the games coached perfectly at the end every time, just as Miles hopes he will make every correct decision at the end.
For example, in 2007, many people claim that the AUB game and the FL game were games where questionable choices were made in the endgame. I don't agree but say those folks are right, those were mistakes. Well if we WON ANYWAY, even making with the coaches supposedly making these terrible mistakes, then it must mean that talent and luck play big roles in how things turn out, maybe as much as skilled decision making.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:36 am to lsuexpert57
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he certainly has much room for improvement there,
Understatement of the decade!!
I dont think I have seen a HS coach or little coach handle clock mang as bad as Miles.
My nine yr old daughter has better clock mang skills!
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but as far as how they affect your team's overall record its a minor thing.
OMG!! Thats hilarious!! Yea it only decideds who wins or loses the game alot of the time.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:38 am to lsuexpert57
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but as far as how they affect your team's overall record its a minor thing.
scoring points DIRECTLY relates to wins and loses.
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For example, you can coach an end of game scenario perfect every time and lose anyway. Say JJ had clocked it and we had run a play on 4th and failed. Well that happens now doesn't it? End of game situations like this one ARE rare, maybe one a year for your team. You can coach them all perfect and still lose because mostly it comes down to fate and talent.
Wow. yes theoretically you could coach it perfectly and lose. You can do what Miles did and get lucky coaching like an idiot. The difference is that these are NOT RANDOM EVENTS BASED ON FATE. These are real world things that exist on planning, preparation and execution.
Miles is incapable of ALL 3. You are delusional.
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I don't agree but say those folks are right, those were mistakes. Well if we WON ANYWAY, even making with the coaches supposedly making these terrible mistakes, then it must mean that talent and luck play big roles in how things turn out, maybe as much as skilled decision making.
You've gone full retard. Don't EVER go full retard.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:38 am to Ray Ray Rodman
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A coach with true courage, character and one who put his team above all else.
Oh, that was the day that I realised he had some balls, but I still say, like I said in 2007, he's an idiot and his poor decision making will bite him in the arse.
It was one of the greatest LSU games ever, but it was still stupid football.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:39 am to oleheat
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All these stooges will be running to catch the wagon again...........
isn't that the truth. there's plenty of room on that wagon right now; we beat florida and it's standing room only.Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:40 am to CptBengal
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You've gone full retard. Don't EVER go full retard.
LOL...Make up your mind princess, either you want exchange childish insults or not, I'm good either way. Just let me know how you want to roll.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:40 am to CptBengal
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Somehow you are STILL on the train (albeit barely?) What does this dude have to do....kill puppies?
Finish with 3-4 losses again this year and look like crap doing it. His clock management borders on criminal, but some have pointed out that he never had these problems at Ok St or before Crowton. I'm still on the Miles train, but have been on the anti-Crowton train since he was hired.
What's your solution? Fire him now?
Coker's final year: 7-6, 3-5 ACC
Tuberville's final year: 5–7, 2–6 SEC
Zook's final year: 7-4, 4-4 SEC
Name ONE coach who was fired the same year with a winning conference record?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:41 am to LSU GrandDad
I dont think anyone is off the LSU train. Its the Miles train that is under fire. If people didnt care, they wouldnt give a shite what the coach did.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:42 am to lsuexpert57
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That's when I became fully aware that Miles was a special breed of coach. A coach with true courage, character and one who put his team above all else.
That's insane.
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Our final drive is the one where he did something I see very few coaches do, he potentially put his career on the line to do the RIGHT thing, instead of doing it "by the book".
So now going for it is the MORALLY RIGHT thing to do? WTF
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Just my opinion of course, and perhaps an overly biased one,
"Perhaps"? The whole post is based on nearly baseless assumptions.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:44 am to lsuexpert57
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LOL...Make up your mind princess, either you want exchange childish insults or not, I'm good either way. Just let me know how you want to roll.
avoid the entire substance of the post. Then attempt to re-frame the discussion.
First, you continued to use childish comments, despite my first comment. Hence I decided to return in kind. It's a shame that it threw you off so much as to render your ability to respond to the substance of the debate useless. Anytime you'd actually like to address the stupidity of your last post........
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:45 am to kgriff
What about 2006, 2008 and 2009?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:47 am to Ray Ray Rodman
There is a lot of room for Miles to improve, I know it, he knows it and the rantards can't sleep at night because they KNOW they know it.
It just seems to me that too many folks get caught up in knee jerk reactions to each little moment. A CFB coach is ultimately responsible for everything to do with his team. To properly judge a coach you have to judge both the good and the bad.
For me, when the day is done, the balance comes down on the positive side with Miles.
You can't blame him for the losses and then say the wins are "just luck" or because of "Saban set him up". This is stupid and shows ignorance of how hard it is to coach winning football.
It just seems to me that too many folks get caught up in knee jerk reactions to each little moment. A CFB coach is ultimately responsible for everything to do with his team. To properly judge a coach you have to judge both the good and the bad.
For me, when the day is done, the balance comes down on the positive side with Miles.
You can't blame him for the losses and then say the wins are "just luck" or because of "Saban set him up". This is stupid and shows ignorance of how hard it is to coach winning football.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:53 am to lsuexpert57
quote:You do make a good point. However, what has really hurt miles recently is:
lsuexpert57
1.) his handling of the media (and by extension the fans) and
2.) his handling of his coordinators.
He's a CEO type guy. And therefore lives and dies by his coordinators. '08 defense duo sunk the ship. '09 qb hangover rendered a useless offense. And I doubt he's got the Sean Payton play sheet making the actual calls at the end of the game.
So, Crowton was making the calls at the end of the UT game (Penn St game/ Ole Miss game), running in personnel, not calling extra plays. Miles can say, run the ball to milk the clock, or let's take a shot, but he isn't calling every play. I think miles gave him another year this year because of the RP situation, and crowton needing a good qb to run his system. But this is probably it for Crowton if Lee can't turn things around.
I'm still clinging to hope that Ridley and the Defense can continue to carry this team.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:54 am to lsuexpert57
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It just seems to me that too many folks get caught up in knee jerk reactions to each little moment. A CFB coach is ultimately responsible for everything to do with his team. To properly judge a coach you have to judge both the good and the bad.
That's why my opinion of Miles is based on the 5.5 years he's coached here and I don't forget everything else when he goes crazy at Ole Miss OR when he wins a championship.
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You can't blame him for the losses and then say the wins are "just luck" or because of "Saban set him up". This is stupid and shows ignorance of how hard it is to coach winning football.
What's stupid is acting like every win is the same. What was stupid was giving him a gold-plated long-term contract after 2007 despite the fact that all of the warning signs for 08-10 were there to see during 05-07 for anyone paying attention.
You tell me how it makes sense for Les to be on the hot seat the day after Thanksgiving in 2007 b/c his team had played so badly in the 2nd half of the year and then be locked into a fantastic contract through 2012 a couple of games later.
Making decisions while ignoring half of your information is not a good way to go about things.
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