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re: #1Fournette, Justin Vincent, Hilliard, Faulk and Hill

Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:37 am to
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:37 am to
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4 games, 72 carries, 596 yards, 8.3 YPC, 149 YPG




Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28161 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:58 am to
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Hill - think he's a much much better back than he showed at LSU


You're crazy. He set the SEC record for yards per carry by a fulltime RB his sophomore year.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted by 0jersey
Paradise
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:17 pm to
Anyone who doesn't think Hill was the best back we have had doesn't know football.

Faulk is a better overall football player and I'd have to choose him due to his special teams abilities.

But no one has run the ball better with more breakaway runs and vision than Jeremy Hill. Collins showed it, but 4 games isn't enough to prove it long term. I think he could have, but he didn't.

Hill always had his best games against the best competition as well.

I think Fournette could surpass him, but I have yet to see him with the 50+ yd TD runs I suspected he would have. I thought he was supposed to be one of fastest on the team, and he may be, but where were the long breakaway runs? This was also the knock against Faulk.

Time will tell.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:22 pm to
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I thought he was supposed to be one of fastest on the team


He lacks good footwork to make cuts. If he had a spin move like yeldon or quick steps like Charles Johnson, he would have broken multiple long runs this year. Also needs to work on a stiff arm. He gets tackled 1 on 1 in the secondary way too often. he can't just punish the defense by trying to run over them.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:27 pm to
What I meant was I think will be a better NFL back than college back.

I think fournette will be dressed with multiple awards, records and honors by the time he's done is all.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:30 pm to
Are you talking about fournette? You can't be, unless we weren't watching the same guy run. He's made plenty of amazing cuts and blew up a few people this year. You must be one of the guys who expects him to take it to the house on every carry, otherwise he's a bust.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:39 pm to
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Anyone who doesn't think Hill was the best back we have had doesn't know football.

I love comments like these
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28161 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:43 pm to
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He's made plenty of amazing cuts


No he didn't. He had no long runs of greater than 25 yds against any SEC opponent all year until the aTm game and the one long run he had was a straight shot. I think he had ok vision finding the hole but he did not take full advantage of the holes he found once he got through them. He just doesn't make people miss.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:53 pm to
LF had some good games, but also some average ones. Look at our stats - he's basically the same YPC as Hilliard, Magee, and Williams. As I've said many times this year, our backs were essentially interchangeable.

NAME CAR YDS AVG LONG TD
Leonard Fournette 176 891 5.1 46 8
Terrence Magee 105 545 5.2 38 3
Kenny Hilliard 87 431 5.0 28 (TD) 6
Anthony Jennings 100 284 2.8 36 0
Darrel Williams 61 280 4.6 22 (TD) 3
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:56 pm to
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No he didn't. He had no long runs of greater than 25 yds against any SEC opponent all year until the aTm game and the one long run he had was a straight shot. I think he had ok vision finding the hole but he did not take full advantage of the holes he found once he got through them. He just doesn't make people miss.


This is correct. LF isn't a slasher and doesn't make people miss. Now, he's big and strong and fast (for his size) but he didn't show blazing speed at all.

All in all, LF is a good back and I'd like to see him used more next year, especially catching balls since he has good hands, but outside of a couple good plays, he did nothing spectacular.

Don't get me wrong, I loved how he leveled the A&M defender.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28161 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:12 pm to
And he's just a freshman. All in all a great start to his career.

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especially catching balls since he has good hands,


We really didn't use him enough in the passing game. But that may have had more to do with just a poor passing game in general.
Posted by la champ1
Member since Oct 2012
1435 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:13 pm to
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I wouldn't go that far. He by no means has been bad, but I wouldn't say his freshman year has been anything spectacular either. Certainly not in keeping with the preseason hype. Faulk had just as many rushing yards is two less games. And Vincent's and Hill's freshman seasons were all the more impressive considering that they really didn't become heavily involved in the offense until mid-season I guess ultimately you perceive things how you want, but to me, LF looks like a very good, but not "all-timer" back. Bash away


Think Fournette has done as much or more than any of the previous backs mentioned could do in this offense. Hill had Mett, Faulk had Herb Tyler, and everyone else had someone. Fournette has no passing game to open the lanes and coaches don't use him for passes although he has outstanding hands. It's as simple as if Fournette is in the game, he gets the ball up the middle with 9 in the box. It is outstanding that in an offense like that, he can gain 1,000 yards and around 10 TDs. Royce freeman has Mariota and an offensive wizard calling the plays. Chubb has at least a respectable QB that can keep the defense honest. We can't consistently pass the ball 5 yards. Think on that. You open those lanes and feed him the ball more early in the year, and Fournette goes over 1200 with this poor passing game. You give him a respectable passing game that keeps teams from constantly loading the box, and he goes over 1500 more than likely.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:18 pm to
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Faulk had Herb Tyler,
Jamie Howard.... Herb Tyler was a freshman same as Faulk in 1995. Tyler also started only 4 games that season. Learn history
Posted by Slapouttiger
alabama
Member since Jun 2011
3087 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:32 pm to
To me Hillard and Faulk had better freshman seasons. But that doesn't mean LF can't surpass there Sophamore seasons.
Posted by Mobiletiger
Mobile, AL
Member since Dec 2007
1630 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:59 pm to
what hurt leonard is he would play a series and then sit out a couple. He rarely got in a groove unless he broke a run early in a series. He will be feature more next year and he will have 14 carries for 87 yds then after the 4th you look up and he will have 25 carries for 150. Run over a worn down defense. Yeldon gets most of his yds in 4th qtrs of games. Stats look better.
Posted by 337Tigah
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:12 am to


Most of these backs besides Fournette came in late games and mop up duties especially as the year progressed. That would definitely inflate their numbers .
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:05 am to
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It is a mystery how we just ignore him in the passing but love throwing to neighbors.


How about using LF and Magee in a 2 back set? Good luck with that matchup. 2 receiving backs forcing safeties to actually work. Unfortunately, Cam Cameron is a much smarter technician than I am.
Posted by BSL Tiger
Member since Dec 2013
19 posts
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:14 am to
+1. This is the same exact thing I was thinking as I read through this post. Some valid points were made in previous responses, but Fournette has had to work within a far more one dimensional offense than the previous RB enjoyed. I think he has done as well as we could have hoped. I look forward to seeing him run as a Sophomore and Junior, at least.
Posted by la champ1
Member since Oct 2012
1435 posts
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:33 am to
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Posted by tduecen quote: Faulk had Herb Tyler, Jamie Howard.... Herb Tyler was a freshman same as Faulk in 1995. Tyler also started only 4 games that season. Learn history


Who started was not my point. My point is that all the backs mentioned had some type of respectable passing games to at least keep the defense somewhat honest. As of yet Fournette hasn't had that, and he has still gotten the job done.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18817 posts
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:50 am to
Fournette will be the featured back next season and will show the country how special he is. It takes a while to get used to running behind a fullback, something he didn't do in HS. Film study, spring practice, and fall practice will be of great benefit to him.
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