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re: 1987 LSU football...How close do you think they were to winning a national title?

Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:36 am to
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:36 am to
Bill was not a college coach type, he did not like coaching at the college level.

He left much of the daily things to do to his assistant coaches.

He was not a motivator type of coach and wanted the team to play on a flat level game to game.

Depth is also an issue, LSU is thin in some spots, and the next season without the 2 SMU players (Young and Harmon), LSU would have lost more games. Prop 48 killed LSU's recruiting when it took effect in 1986.
This post was edited on 7/18/20 at 9:43 am
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6855 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:39 am to
What I remember about '87 Ohio State is Earle Bruce being a massive prick before and after the game.

He refused to run his team onto the field until after LSU ran out, and he bitched about the refs and the clock at the end of the game (blocked FG).
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8126 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 10:48 am to
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Had excellent skill position players but lacked real talent and depth across the lines of scrimmage.


Agree. Still remember Nebraska pushing us around in those two Sugar Bowls in that era. It was a reality check that in one of the best 5 year runs in LSU history, we weren’t really close to contending for a national title.
Posted by DenverTigerMan
Denver
Member since Nov 2005
2352 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 11:00 am to
We tied Ohio State that year. Archer took out Hodson for Guidry with the lead. I believe we would have won if Hodson stayed in. We lost to Alabama with half of our defense out hurt--we had no chance. When they were healed for the Gator Bowl against South Carolina, we mauled them. What could have been a great undefeated season!
Posted by Disgeaux Bob
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2016
2833 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 11:16 am to
4 turnovers cost us that game.
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
33297 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 12:04 pm to
My god those end zones
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 1:50 pm to
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1987 LSU football by austintexastiger
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LSU vs Ohio St highlights
I was there in the student section. Great game but the tie really sucked. That int by Hodson was devastating.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4231 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 4:09 pm to
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They were second tier talent back then. Had excellent skill position players but lacked real talent and depth across the lines of scrimmage.

A lot of luck would have to have been had to win it all.


I remember that 87 team, it was a lot more talented than people give it credit for. OU and Miami played for the NC, and Miami won it all. They were indeed elite talent, the 87 Miami Team over the next 3 NFL drafts would have 28 NFL picks, including 6 1st rounders, 2 of which would go on to be NFL HOF (Mike Irvin and Cortez Kennedy who I think Coach O said might have been among the 1 or 2 best DL he has ever coached).

OU would have 20 NFL picks over the next 3 drafts, but they were still running Barry Switzers Wishbone. The Big 8 back then was a 2 team race, OU an Nebraska so OU had 6 basic lay up games in league play. Texas in the late 80's was horrible, David McWilliams coached them they lost to OU 44-9 and went 6-5 in regular season play.

LSU would have 21 players in the next 3 NFL drafts (I Included Harvey Williams who sat out 88 because of knee injury after rushing for 1,000 yards in 1987). He was drafted 1st round in the 1991 draft. LSU would have 3 first rounders over those drafts, Wendell Davis, Eric Hill and Williams.

LSU probably had top 5 talent that year no doubt, maybe top 2 or 3. I still don't think they had enough to beat Miami that year had they played them unless Miami played the way they did vs. Penn State the year before after the 1986 season. Also, I think LSU still did not have that "it factor" in the program like it does now back then. Probably some doubt that can we really win it all.?

There was lots of talent on that 1987 team.
This post was edited on 7/18/20 at 6:26 pm
Posted by Toadlaw
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2016
101 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 7:41 pm to
Bo Pelini was #48 in that game as safety for OSU - see 3:42 mark
Posted by Toadlaw
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2016
101 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 7:42 pm to
Bo Pelini was #48 in that game as safety for OSU - see 3:42 mark
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
89475 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

Still remember Nebraska pushing us around in those two Sugar Bowls in that era.


yep. we lost in the trenches both those games. nebraska was a football mill back then. corn fed beasts. we only had two guys on the whole team who could bench over 400 on that 87 team. nacho and andolsek. both could do 465 and up.
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 7:58 pm to
Those Nebraska lines
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33279 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 8:54 pm to
Nacho and Andolsek

I am fond of “Dr Joe” but Big E was the star regardless of accolades.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36080 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 10:43 pm to
Key play in that game though was a 4th down Hodson to S.Martin pass for a first late in the game.

Sammy misses that pass and the game was over.
Posted by Canwoodtiger
Member since Oct 2015
3737 posts
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:15 am to
That team was darn good. But we were not going to beat Miami or Oklahoma that year. We were actually the third most talented team that year just behind those two. A healthy Tommy Hodson and we beat Bama to go undefeated with one tie and an outright SEC title. That Ohio State game should have been a win. With a better HC we would have won. Archer showed signs that he was not cut out to be a long term SEC coach that day.
Posted by Canwoodtiger
Member since Oct 2015
3737 posts
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:16 am to
Born too late to have witnessed the 70's and 80's huh? Sad that you had to miss out:).
Posted by Canwoodtiger
Member since Oct 2015
3737 posts
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:19 am to
Yep. Mack Brown was Tulane's coach and they had an athlete at QB in Terence Jones who gave the Tigers D fits.
Posted by Bristol Dawg
God's Country
Member since Jul 2016
2934 posts
Posted on 7/19/20 at 3:58 am to
Those years were fun. In my mind, we did win the national championship every year. Found the right math I guess.
Posted by kkv75
Member since Sep 2017
4890 posts
Posted on 7/19/20 at 6:01 am to
This is what happens when there is no live sports.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 7/19/20 at 8:37 am to
Wasn't that Mack Brown's only year at Tulane? People say he only won with talent, but he turned around Tulane and UNC in his first stint there that were both in the gutter
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