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11 Seed in Latest Bracketology

Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:50 am
Posted by benoit_BayouBengals
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:50 am
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Cannot afford another bad loss. In my opinion, we need to beat at least one ranked team to get to that 9 or 10 spot.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:53 am to
Does LSU have a bad loss on their resume? I know they don’t have any good wins but they haven’t really loss to any bad team. Maybe Kentucky or Florida is considered a bad loss but both of those games were on the road.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28363 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:58 am to
LSU doesn't really have any "bad" losses. The problems is they don't have many (if any) "good" wins. The remaining games against Alabama, Florida and Tennessee will make or break the season. Lose all three and you can pretty much kiss the NCAAT goodbye. Win all three and they are back in business. Assuming neither is the most probable result, I'd say LSU MUST (in addition to beating MSU on the road) win at least 2 of those 3 games to give them a shot to secure a spot in the final two weeks.

EDT: I'm assuming "postponed" SEC game just won't get played, but LSU could desperately use that Missouri game getting rescheduled. That would be a great opportunity for a good win.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 9:02 am
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4162 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:15 am to
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LSU doesn't really have any "bad" losses


I get that Alabama is a good team this year, but that 30-point home loss can't be "good," right? Also, what about the loss to St. Louis? I know it was early and that they've had a bunch of games canceled this year, but how are they shaping up?
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4617 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:15 am to
Don't want an 8 or 9 seed. If we can't vault to 7 it is more advantageous to get a 10 or 11.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:23 am to
As of now LSU has remaining:
Quad 1 - 4 games
Quad 2 - 3 games
Quad 3 - 1 game

We’re to the point where quality wins/bad losses won’t really matter for LSU. If we don’t win at least one of those Quad 1 games and sweep quad 2 and 3 we’d be 15-9 and need some luck just to get in a play in game.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
7539 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:24 am to
It's crazy to think that a loss to Kentucky is a bad loss.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28363 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:27 am to
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I get that Alabama is a good team this year, but that 30-point home loss can't be "good," right?


No loss is "good". But at the end of the day, it's just one game. The NET rating only award credit for margin of victory up to 10 points. So whether you win by 11 or 40, it counts the same. On the flip side, the committee isn't going to severely punish you for one bad night...which most teams have at some point during the season. In 2019 Auburn got beat by 27 by UK. The still ended up being a #5 seed and making a run to the Final Four.

In the grand scheme of things I would GLADLY trade a 30 point loss at home for a win ON THE ROAD against that same Alabama team. Road wins are like gold to the selection committee.

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Also, what about the loss to St. Louis?


SLU is a solid team. They are top 40 in NET. The problem is they've been completely fricked by "pandemic protocols" in A10 play. They literally played ONE game in the entire month of January (a loss). Their record is 7-2. It would be MUCH better....if they could actually play a freaking game!
Posted by coachw
Member since Jun 2017
1872 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:30 am to
Can you say NIT?
Posted by purplengold1
Illinois
Member since Feb 2009
5074 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:35 am to
I live near the St. Louis area. It has to be absolutely brutal for SLU fans because this could be their best team ever and they haven’t even played 10 games. Very frustrating.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14812 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:38 am to
Do we not get any kind of bump for hanging right with and honestly outplaying a 10th ranked projected 4-seed?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28363 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:46 am to
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Do we not get any kind of bump for hanging right with and honestly outplaying a 10th ranked projected 4-seed?


Objectively LSU got a SOS bump. Maybe subjectively those who decide may have a slightly more favorable opinion of LSU than, say, after the Kentucky game. But ultimately, this isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. "Almost" doesn't count.

Take off the P&G glasses for a second. From a completely neutral perspective, good teams don't meltdown in the final minute of the game when they have a 7 point lead...at home. Even if their opponent was a really good team.
Posted by benoit_BayouBengals
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2404 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:53 am to
I don't see any bad losses on our schedule, but going forward we cannot lose to Vandy, Arkansas, Miss St. I think Splitting Auburn and UGA are fine as long as you have a win against Bama, Tenn or Florida.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:25 am to
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I get that Alabama is a good team this year, but that 30-point home loss can't be "good," right?


There is a difference in a bad loss to the program/fans and a “bad” loss to the selection committee and the NET. We know the Bama loss as a 30 point loss but to the NET it’s the exact same as LSU losing by 10 to Bama.

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Also, what about the loss to St. Louis?


As of right now that is still only a Quad 1 loss so it isn’t a “bad” loss. Kentucky is the only non quad 1 loss as of now but they are ranked 77 so that could easily be a quad 1 loss by the end of the year.

So right now LSU doesn’t have any “bad” losses as far as the rankings show but they need some signature wins big time.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28363 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:33 am to
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I think Splitting Auburn and UGA are fine as long as you have a win against Bama, Tenn or Florida.


If you are going to split Auburn and Georgia, then LSU better do more than just winning ONE of the games vs. Bama, Tenn, Florida.

The two BIGGEST metrics in the eyes of the selection committee are:

1. Wins vs. other NCAAT teams/Q1 opponents

2. Wins away from home.

FULL.STOP.

The committee doesn't care that you were able to beat every average/bad team on your schedule. It doesn't overly impress them that you can win every game at home, but not away from home.

They want to see "skins on the wall." Right now, LSU doesn't have many (if any). That can change tonight as beating Alabama on the road would be a HUGE "skin". Follow that up with wins AT MSU and at home vs. Florida and Tenn, then LSU is "in" going into the final 4-5 games of the season. But if LSU loses to Bama, Tenn. and Florida (or maybe even just loses 2 of the 3) then there won't be many "skins" left to get
Posted by benoit_BayouBengals
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2404 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:19 am to
16-8 gets you in splitting Auburn and UGA with a win over Bama, Tenn, or Florida.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24272 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:38 am to
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Does LSU have a bad loss on their resume? I know they don’t have any good wins but they haven’t really loss to any bad team. Maybe Kentucky or Florida is considered a bad loss but both of those games were on the road.

As a fan, the Bama blowout and UK games were bad losses because they played bad. But they haven't lost to any really bad teams, so there are no bad losses in that aspect. Two of their SEC losses are to currently ranked teams and and the other was to Kentucky who is not the usual Kentucky, but still has a lot of talent. And one of their non-conference losses is to a currently ranked team. They just don't have a win against a ranked team.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202942 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:42 am to
We looked horrible against Bama AT home.... say what you want but that is real bad loss.......... plus getting out scored by Texas Tech in the final mins and looked bad doing it.......

Sorry facts are facts......
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
7798 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:04 pm to
The win that would go much farther than the home games in giving LSU some leeway down the stretch--assuming @ Mizzou isn't played -- is at Alabama tonight. It's also well within reach for a couple of reasons.

1) Alabama seems extremely beaten up right now. Herb Jones has a back injury and hasn't been practicing though he'll still play banged up. Bruner is out and both of his backups, Reese and Rojas, have also been held out of practice with injuries. Quinerly hasn't really seemed up to full speed since he came back from Covid or whatever it was that kept him out a few games.


2) Psychologically, a severely lopsided win like they had at LSU statistically works to LSU's advantage. (It's actually been interesting to see this in relief this season in smaller conferences due to them scheduling back to back games this season. It's eye opening to see the amount of games that a team wins by 25 points and then loses or goes to the wire against the same team the next night.)

Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:24 pm to
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coachw



you are extremely negative and likely not an LSU fan at all
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