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re: 11 out of the 16 playoff spots...
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:18 pm to skullhawk
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:18 pm to skullhawk
Ohio State did not deserve it, as they only had 2 top 25 wins. They would have been in with 1 loss, but 2 ugly losses and not enough quality wins to compensate.
Miami and USC just had too many losses, without enough quality wins. Auburn had great wins, but 3 losses was just too much. I hate Alabama too, but they deserved the 4th spot more than the others. The way to stop them from out recruiting you every year, is to field a competent offense and beat them. The Big 10 commissioner said it best, "Just go back to work and get better." A non-conference champ with 2 losses will not get in, but a one loss non-conference champ may be better than another 2 loss team that wins a weaker conference.
Miami and USC just had too many losses, without enough quality wins. Auburn had great wins, but 3 losses was just too much. I hate Alabama too, but they deserved the 4th spot more than the others. The way to stop them from out recruiting you every year, is to field a competent offense and beat them. The Big 10 commissioner said it best, "Just go back to work and get better." A non-conference champ with 2 losses will not get in, but a one loss non-conference champ may be better than another 2 loss team that wins a weaker conference.
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:30 pm to bluestem75
Clemson won their conference 3 times
OSU won it once
Alabama 3/4 times they’ve been in
OU won it both times
So 9/11 of those instances they did win their conference
11/11 they were playing well.
You didn’t make a good point.
OSU won it once
Alabama 3/4 times they’ve been in
OU won it both times
So 9/11 of those instances they did win their conference
11/11 they were playing well.
You didn’t make a good point.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:30 pm to bluestem75
It also matters where you start the season at. All of these teams always start at the top. UCF started at the bottom, there was no way they could get to the top
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:35 pm to skullhawk
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Because they've got a history of elite play and routinely have the best players (recruits and NFL draftees).
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what does that have to do with analyzing teams for a CFP?
it's why an 11-1 Alabama gets in the playoff over a 13-0 UCF.
The SEC is perceived as a stronger conference than the American conference - and therefore gets its team in the playoff.
Why is that? History of elite play? Eye-test? Better players? Is anyone going to dispute that Bama has better players (top to bottom) than UCF? Does that factor into the committee's decision to invite Bama and not UCF?
Is that wrong?
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:41 pm to A1tiger
It is a lot like the sport of boxing. If both are close, then the champ will get the nod. If anyone believes that BAMA has not proven to be the most dominant team since 2009, then you really aren't credible. BAMA has to be beaten twice, or their competition better be a one loss or undefeated conference champion.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:48 pm to bluestem75
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...have gone to 4 teams.
Your premise is invalid. There are only really 12 playoff spots.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:52 pm to bluestem75
Melt day 2
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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It also matters where you start the season at. All of these teams always start at the top. UCF started at the bottom, there was no way they could get to the top
I think this is a really key problem with the current state of college football (and always has been really)...there are a bunch of teams that might as well withdraw from 1-A football. Even going undefeated means you will NEVER have a chance to win the title. They either need to create a wider playoff field so the undefeated "mid-majors" can get into the playoffs, OR they need to create a new division just for the big conferences.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:55 pm to bluestem75
yall continue to argue about the CFP, but it's not ever going to change to everyone's liking. you can creat a 6, 8, 16 etc playoff bracket but someone each year will bitch moan and complain that its "not fair". the 7th team that doesn't get in will cry, the 9th team that doesn't get in will cry, etc etc etc
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:08 pm to SilverStallion
quote:agreed, but the further away from no. 1 you get, the weaker the argument. It's like team 65 in March Madness. The melt is entertaining, but I struggle to get too bothered by team no. 65 getting left out.
you can creat a 6, 8, 16 etc playoff bracket but someone each year will bitch moan and complain that its "not fair". the 7th team that doesn't get in will cry, the 9th team that doesn't get in will cry, etc etc etc
Same for football. Now yes, team 5 may have a valid gripe, but it gets weaker for team 9.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:20 pm to bluestem75
Clemson has won the ACC 3 years in a row with records of 13-0, 12-1, 12-1. Which year were they unworthy and who should have gone instead?
Alabama won the SEC 3 times with records of 12-1, 12-1, 13-0 Which year were they unworthy and who should have gone instead?
OU won the Big XII twice with records of 11-1, 12-1 Which year were they unworthy and who should have gone instead
Ohio State won the BIG in 2014 at 12 who should have gone instead?
Both Alabama and Ohio State made it without winning their division at 11-1 both had sting cases based on their season vs other available teams that year but that would make at best 2 of 11 that you can quibble with
Alabama won the SEC 3 times with records of 12-1, 12-1, 13-0 Which year were they unworthy and who should have gone instead?
OU won the Big XII twice with records of 11-1, 12-1 Which year were they unworthy and who should have gone instead
Ohio State won the BIG in 2014 at 12 who should have gone instead?
Both Alabama and Ohio State made it without winning their division at 11-1 both had sting cases based on their season vs other available teams that year but that would make at best 2 of 11 that you can quibble with
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:44 pm to StormTiger
quote:I actually think this makes sense.
They either need to create a wider playoff field so the undefeated "mid-majors" can get into the playoffs, OR they need to create a new division just for the big conferences.
Put the Power5 conferences in the top division, expand playoffs to 8 teams (conf champs + 3 at-large) and then create another division below that with all other FBS conferences plus independents.
They can have their own playoff, and wrap those playoff games into the existing bowls. Win-win for everyone.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:07 pm to atltiger6487
LINK
Number 6 being the defining answer. Refer to number 5, then go tell UCF that no matter what you do, you will never get in.
8 spots, 5 for Conf Champs, 3 at large. Just do it!
Number 6 being the defining answer. Refer to number 5, then go tell UCF that no matter what you do, you will never get in.
8 spots, 5 for Conf Champs, 3 at large. Just do it!
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:36 pm to atltiger6487
yeah i get what you're saying but it'll never to be everyone's liking. like this year if the CFP was 8 teams, why does a #12 undefeated UCF not belong in the top 8? or if you did top 12, the argument is going to be well UCF didn't play anyone so #13 stanford should get in because we have better wins and a tougher schedule. or you do top 16 and us LSU fans will be bitching about how we should be in over a 9-4 stanford. it'll just keep going and going and going until certain criteria have to be met to be included.
this year the argument could've swung either way for Ohio St. or Alabama but i think the whole eye test is bullshite. did anyone ever think troy would beat lsu? no. so eye test should be invalid in sports
this year the argument could've swung either way for Ohio St. or Alabama but i think the whole eye test is bullshite. did anyone ever think troy would beat lsu? no. so eye test should be invalid in sports
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:38 pm to phideauxlsu
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then go tell UCF that no matter what you do, you will never get in
stupid. why even have a football program then? everyones ultimate goal is to get to the CFP. your statement basically states, if you're not in a power 5 conference, you'll never be in the CFP so oh well.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:41 pm to bluestem75
We have the recruiting base and the facilities to be there.
It’s been a coaching issue at LSU. It’s a gold mine.
It’s been a coaching issue at LSU. It’s a gold mine.
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