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re: Would you be happy with this Oline class (22) from O and Davis?

Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:18 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284900 posts
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:18 pm to
Lot of time left. Full high school season. Kids will emerge & new OL coach will settle in
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5746 posts
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:33 pm to
The problem is not this Oline recruiting class. The problem is the last 3 Oline recruiting classes. You can’t expect to make that up in one year and with a new Oline coach hired in June.
Posted by Cromulent
Down the Bayou
Member since Oct 2016
3026 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:36 am to
You are the angriest poster on here. Chill out and stop talking to people like they’re worthless.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1973 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Campbell
Bordelon
Jones
Fitzgerald



If we wind up with these 4 and only these 4, it will be an unmitigated disaster. We have been SO far behind in OL recruiting the past few years that this class needs to be DEEP. 4 guys does NOT cut it.


Think about it this way: You can sign up to 25 guys in a class. 22 guys start. So you should be coming relatively close to filling out an entire starting lineup with each class. This is supposed to be the "replenishing" year for OL and we still can't even hit the baseline of where we should be in a *normal* year?



I'm sure this will get downvoted and so be it--but this would be NOT good.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1973 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:44 am to
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how does an OL class with at least 1 5* and 1 4* equate to mediocre?



Because from a depth standpoint, a typical OL class should have 4 or 5 guys (you get 25 total spots for 22 total starters, so you should be relatively close to filling out a full starting lineup in a normal year). For us, though, this year is NOT a typical OL class--this is a desperation attempt to do everything in our power to fill the currently-barren cupboards. And from a quality standpoint, the absolute bare-minimum we should be doing is >50% blue chippers (i.e. 4 and 5 stars). So by that math, an average to below-average OL class should have at least 2 4 and 5 stars. Given how the past several OL classes have shaken out for us, we CANNOT afford an average to below-average OL class this cycle.


The absolute bare minimum expectation for this OL class should be at least 5 total kids with at least 3 bluechippers. If we finish the cycle with 2 bluechippers and 2 3*s, we're going to start REALLY feeling the effects of our piss-poor OL recruiting over the next few years.


As of now, we're in a spot where we still have a chance to turn it around before it costs us. We got lucky with everyone coming back this year, so we were able to push the timeline back a year. But after this season we will be absolutely RAZOR thin at OL. We cannot--CANNOT--afford to carry that razor thin depth chart into the future. If we can nail the 2022 OL class, we can scrape our way thru the next couple years with transfers and stopgaps. If we don't nail the 2022 OL class, we're going to be hurting badly for the foreseeable future. The OL class listed by the OP here would NOT be nailing it.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 9:45 am
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2297 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:45 am to
How many weeks has Davis been here? Has he even completely moved into his office? Got his family moved?

How many weeks have players been able to visit coaches face to face on campuses?

The most important thing I want to see out of Davis presently is good coaching that maximizes the best performance out of the talent we already have. The rest will follow.

Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1973 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

most important thing I want to see out of Davis presently is good coaching that maximizes the best performance out of the talent we already have.



But we don't have nearly enough talent--that's the point. We have landed 5 **TOTAL** offensive linemen in our last 2 classes--only 2 of whom are 4 or 5* players. To make matters worse, those 2 razor thin classes came on the back of a third razor thin class in the 2019 cycle. That means that we have to have an almost impossibly high hit rate--among players who are not even all that talented--in order to even *field a competent starting lineup*. In order to avoid catastrophe, we HAVE to land at least 5 dudes this cycle and multiple of them need be capable of contributing as underclassmen.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted by JRC73
Member since Mar 2014
70 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:21 pm to
If that were true, we'd be failing at recruiting all positions, not just specifically O-line.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1973 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:20 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
6147 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:11 pm to
The New Coach (name escapes me) at FSU will lead them back to the upper echelon of the ACC barring Clemson, but they’ll be better than Miami soon and once the shiny new of Brown fades UNC also. He’s a good good coach
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
5952 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 8:33 pm to
We have nothing to offer the top hs olinemen. We have average OL coaches and they have nothing to offer at top olineman.
That is where Kevin Mawae would be a total change of fortune imo. Sitting in a recruits living room with his father and talking to a HOF player that loves LSU and built his entire career not being the biggest but the best technique guy and someone that could take a 4 or 5 star guy to be ready for the next level....and that is what sells the top Olinemen. Our present and past oline coaches couldn't offer anything other than playing time. That is what you offer 3 star players to get them. Until LSU realizes what I just said is the truth, don't count on getting any top olinemen that hasn't been a Tiger since birth in a Tiger family.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
31261 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 8:40 pm to
His name is mike norvell and he is a really good coach.

His o-line coach alex atkins is a star in the making.

If brad davis wasn't from b.r. i think atkins would've gotten the job.
Posted by LSU FSU Grad
Member since Jul 2014
2900 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:41 pm to
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LSU will not get 3 of the 49 (or 4) with Bordelon and West signing idiot. They are both low ranked 3*s


Really?
1. Campbell
2. E Jones

That's 2. And YOU, on June 29, have decreed that LSU cannot, in no way sign at least one of:

3. Banks
4. Dewberry
5. Agbo
6. or even D Campbell

OK then. Guess everyone can shut recruiting down! The "Magician" SMU fan has spoken!

Oh, as for Bordelon and West...what part of the top 49 did I say they were in? Oh! That's right! I didn't. I just said LSU can/will sign at least 3 of the top 49 OLs (the 5*s or 4*s). That comment had nothing to do with Bordelon or West. Idiot.

And also,for the last time for clowns like you and LifeWater, an 87.67 is NOT a low 3* no matter how many times you say it or wish it true.

If you want some credibility, Clown, don't post nonsense that is so easily proven wrong.
Posted by J4dad
Member since Jun 2021
11 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:05 pm to
Except for the fact that none of those schools (unless OK did but i doubt it) has signed multiple 5 stars on the OL more than once since the beginning of 247 let alone consistently. You know what other school has signed multiple 5 star OL players once? LSU. Lets not let facts get in the way of your argument though. Which, by the way, is also b.s. You dont need 5 star OLs to win nattys. Wisconsin gets them and they dont win championships. You need to develop the players you do get
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 5:05 am to
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Except for the fact that none of those schools (unless OK did but i doubt it) has signed multiple 5 stars on the OL more than once since the beginning of 247 let alone consistently. You know what other school has signed multiple 5 star OL players once? LSU. Lets not let facts get in the way of your argument though. Which, by the way, is also b.s. You dont need 5 star OLs to win nattys. Wisconsin gets them and they dont win championships. You need to develop the players you do get


WTf are you talking about?

Alabama has JC Latham and Brockmeyer in 2021 class

Georgia did it in 2018 with Mays and Salyer

Wisconsin has never had a 5* OT commit ever. You have literally no clue what you are talking about.

OSU, Clemson, Bama, Georgia, OU get 5* Olineman every single year. LSU gets 1 every 10
Posted by geauxGreeks
Member since Sep 2012
1825 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:03 am to
Magi2, wanna have a lifetime ban on this site bet regarding your comment that "Wisconsin has never had a 5* OT commit ever."?
Posted by steve123
Member since Jul 2011
1359 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:57 am to
You post just like a guy who used to comment on NOLA.com to Jim Kleinpeter’s recruiting articles in the Comments section. Constant name-calling, aggression, narcissism. If it is you, you really should seek help. It’s actually possible to disagree with people on chat boards without it becoming so personal. Take a Valium man and drink a beer.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:24 am to
quote:


That's 2. And YOU, on June 29, have decreed that LSU cannot, in no way sign at least one of:

3. Banks
4. Dewberry
5. Agbo
6. or even D Campbell

OK then. Guess everyone can shut recruiting down! The "Magician" SMU fan has spoken!


I said LSU's own insiders on 24/7 are stating that's who we finish with.

They are saying the ship has sailed with banks, dewberry, agbo and Campbell.

Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:32 am to
quote:

Magi2, wanna have a lifetime ban on this site bet regarding your comment that "Wisconsin has never had a 5* OT commit ever."?



I went and checked 24/7 on wisnconsin classes since 2000 and they've had 2 5* olineman.

2007
2019

So I was incorrect

The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with Wisconsin and that poster that mentioned Wisconsin stated they have had many 5* olineman. They've only had 2 in 21 years. Everyone knows Wisconsin gets 3*s or less and they develop the hell out of them and most stay all 4 yrs in college getting tons of experience and reps.
Posted by geauxGreeks
Member since Sep 2012
1825 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:39 am to
Darn, LINK /

sorry folks, i tried.
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