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re: With Kelvin Joseph leaving, who is left from that 2018 recruiting class contributing?
Posted on 7/22/19 at 2:56 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 7/22/19 at 2:56 pm to ProjectP2294
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four other that played enough to burn their redshirts.
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Is this supposed to be some sort of measure of the quality of the class?
AGAIN, the thread title:
With Kelvin Joseph leaving, who is left from that 2018 recruiting class contributing?
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 3:03 pm to Tiger Ree
Why not just answer the fricking question you dolt
ETA: While you're coming up with your answer to the question about redshirts as a measure of class quality, you can also finally answer my question about when we lost Devin Voorhies to attrition.
ETA: While you're coming up with your answer to the question about redshirts as a measure of class quality, you can also finally answer my question about when we lost Devin Voorhies to attrition.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/22/19 at 3:07 pm to ProjectP2294
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"Trust the coaches. Even if they were already the ones that recruited the classes you bitched about earlier in this thread"
You can find any take you look hard enough for on here. I think most reasonable people understood it was a pretty down year for LA, and that the jury was still out in Orgeron, inhibiting his ability to recruit nationally like we're seeing now. Those factors were going to combine for some takes based on potential. Scott is a great example of a guy who, if he took the next step, could have been a freak at a premium position. If you hadn't taken him, you would have taken someone just like him, another dice roll. The only guy to have left state and really have made an impact thus far is Pooka, present suspension controversy not withstanding. Hard to fault any evaluations on that front.
This bickering over what constitutes a recruiting class is pure semantics, based on the services lagging behind the new transfer landscape and their desire to hype a single signing day in Feb as THE battle royal for number one. Y'all are free to debate it as much as you'd like, but the fact of the matter is those guys who did and are impacting LSU took one of the allotted 25 LOI counters per that class. I, and most others, will consider them part of the class. Not sticking up for Ree as I have no idea what other random shite he's asserted in this long abortion of a thread, but transfers are here to stay in CFB and must be accounted for somehow.
Would you really feel better about the 2018 class had the coaches just wanted some warm bodies to fill it out, and taken Corione Harris, Justin Rogers, and Devonta Jason? They likely would have bumped the class up a few notches from a ratings perspective.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 3:12 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Would you really feel better about the 2018 class had the coaches just wanted some warm bodies to fill it out, and taken Corione Harris, Justin Rogers, and Devonta Jason? They likely would have bumped the class up a few notches from a ratings perspective.
As evidenced by the subject of this thread, the 2018 class was already full of warm bodies. And during the recruitment of that class there were real time discussions of which players would be better fits than the guys we actually signed.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 3:55 pm to ProjectP2294
I just said as much. Using Scott as your example, had they replaced him with a guy like Justin Rogers, there would be a few crowing that the coaches neglected the lines to take an inaccurate QB with a bum leg. The net result on LSU as a team would have been about the same. This thread is the definition of splitting hairs just to split them, no evidence I’m aware of that LSU turned away anyone from that class that would be contributing now any more than the particular warm bodies you took issue with at the time. The only one who is even a debate is Pooka, and there were obviously character and qualifying concerns there. I honestly don’t care enough to research it much further, but I suspect if there were others they would have been pointed out by now.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 7:52 pm to Tiger Ree
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LSU's #2 class in 2014 lost
We know. And those classes were not good enough for LSU to be competitive. In 2018 we signed a class that was even worse.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 9:08 pm to Penrod
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In 2018 we signed a class that was even worse.
Too early to say this definitively. Most of the contributors from the 2014 class didn't get much playing time before their junior years. 2018 probably doesn't have 2 top 10 picks, but I could easily see one or two first rounders and several other drafted guys.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:47 am to ProjectP2294
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Trust the coaches
without this line and the forced optimism to the point of irrationality, threads like this wouldn't be as popular as they are
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But yeah, there were definitely some guys in that class that were headscratchers when they committed
and people who pointed it out in real time were crucified on this board, b/c of "trust the coaches"
it's not unfair or the job of "bama alters/trolls" to point out legitimate issues
that's not nearly as bad as what Ree is doing here, but it's in the same realm
i mean Ree can't even argue with me and has stopped responding TWICE to points i made that he can't refute
he's already given up, but he's just picking others to engage with
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:51 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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This bickering over what constitutes a recruiting class is pure semantics, based on the services lagging behind the new transfer landscape
no it's not. they are two separate things. there is no reason to force them together (unless you're pumping like Ree is)
and after the recent comments, the transfer free for all is going to be restrained it appears, so it's likely an outlier year
graduate transfers aren't new and have never been considered part of a recruiting class. they're its own thing
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but transfers are here to stay in CFB and must be accounted for somehow.
they aren't new. they are, as they always have been, their own grouping
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Whatever you say buddy. 
Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:27 am to whitefoot
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but I could easily see one or two first rounders and several other drafted guys.
Me too. But nowhere near enough quality depth to compete for chamionships
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i mean Ree can't even argue with me and has stopped responding TWICE to points i made that he can't refute
God you are a dumbass. I haven't responded because my multiple quotes and threads should have ended the stupid debate you are trying to have. I quoted an LSU compliance officer, multiple 24/7 sources as well as two or three college football team articles.
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he's already given up, but he's just picking others to engage with
I don't reply to every post I see. If one is so ridiculously stupid it appears to be a troll I skip it instead of wasting my time responding.
Have you replied to every post in this thread?
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:28 pm to Tiger Ree
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God you are a dumbass
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If one is so ridiculously stupid
oh wow
he's at the ad hom stage of irrational post defense
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I quoted an LSU compliance officer, multiple 24/7 sources as well as two or three college football team articles.
did you quote something? yes
were those quotes applicable? no
why? because you're trying to change definitions. the whole "you've stopped responding" comment was because i have clearly posted, twice, in response to your desperation trying to claim it's not the set of recruits in the class rankings that is being discussed. everyone else is clearly using them, as i pointed out.
i assume you have no response because you cannot contemplate, let alone articulate, your reasoning in the face of a clearly stated definition being used.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no it's not. they are two separate things. there is no reason to force them together (unless you're pumping like Ree is)
They are not separate things. They are ONE recruiting/signing class. The only thing that is separate is they do not count AGAIN in a team's recruiting RANKING. That is all the class RANKING. It has nothing to do with who from THAT CLASS will contribute to the football team.
Quote from Blair Napolitano, LSU's Assistant Athletic Director for Compliance.
"For instance, DT Breiden Fehoko, who transferred to LSU from Texas Tech after the 2016 season, counts in the Tigers' 2017 signing class from last February."
From the 24/7 recruiting site:
When diving into just how often the signing class is being used, the numbers speak volumes - and it begins with the transfers and JUCO additions. Burrow, Lewis and Tracy have started in all four games this season. Alexander and Traore have seen action in all four games, earning the start in half of them. From the freshman crop, 10 of the 19 signees have already seen action
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graduate transfers aren't new and have never been considered part of a recruiting class. they're its own thing
This is ignorant uneducated bullshite. Scholarship Grad transfers sign an LOI just like a high school senior.
"This is a perfect example of why I don't reply to your idiotic posts".
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they aren't new. they are, as they always have been, their own grouping
There you go, doubling down on your stupidity. I thought posting the factual information from multiple sources would put an end to the blatant idiocy regarding this subject. You must be an EXTRA SPECIAL kind of "SLOW".
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:32 pm to Tiger Ree
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This is ignorant uneducated bullshite.
What are words that apply to Ree that he doesn't know the definition of, Alex?
I'll take Lack of Understanding for $800 please.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why? because you're trying to change definitions.
I'm not changing anything. I am pointing out the FACT that ALL transfers count as part of a recruiting class.
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in response to your desperation trying to claim it's not the set of recruits in the class rankings that is being discussed. everyone else is clearly using them, as i pointed out.
Who is this "everyone else"? If they are trying to ignore players who signed with the 2018 class and contributed this year then they are idiots for "trying to change definitions". You can't pretend a class member isn't a part of the class to knock the rest of the class.
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i assume you have no response because you cannot contemplate, let alone articulate, your reasoning in the face of a clearly stated definition being used.
I have posted the subject line of this thread multiple times. I have read the OP.
You are the one who is oblivious to the "clearly stated definition being used".
I haven't spoken of recruiting rankings except to state the ranking of the classes along with the list of all of the players that have left them.
So if you are dumb enough to not be able to figure out we are discussing totally separate ideas then that is on you.
If you are trying to say that the transfers don't count for the subject title of "who is left from that 2018 recruiting class contributing?" then you really are VERY, VERY SLOW.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:06 pm to Tiger Ree
And yet another source showing the grad transfers.
The list of 25 players who signed with LSU for the 2018 recruiting class.
https://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=777888
Avery Atkins did NOT SIGN with LSU since he is a "walk-on". BUT, he is ALSO a part of the 2018 recruiting class just like the players listed above.
The list of 25 players who signed with LSU for the 2018 recruiting class.
https://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=777888
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LSU Football Signing Classes
^ signed in Early Signing Period (first used in Dec. 2017)
2018
HEAD COACH ED ORGERON | CLASS BREAKDOWN
CB Terrence Alexander (New Orleans, La./John Curtis HS/Stanford)
LB Micah Baskerville ^ (Shreveport, La./Evangel Christian Academy)
QB Joe Burrow (The Plains, Ohio/Athens HS/Ohio St.)
WR Ja'Marr Chase (Metairie, La./Archbishop Rummel HS)
DE Jarell Cherry ^ (Dallas, Texas/Carter HS)
LB Damone Clark ^ (Baton Rouge, La./Southern Lab HS)
DT Davin Cotton ^ (Shreveport, La./Evangel Christian Academy)
RB Chris Curry ^ (Lehigh Acres, Fla./Lehigh HS)
DT Chasen Hines ^ (Marshall, Texas/Marshall HS)
WR Jaray Jenkins ^ (Jena, La./Jena HS)
DT Nelson Jenkins III ^ (Plaquemine, La./Plaquemine HS)
WR Kenan Jones ^ (Berwick, La./Berwick HS)
CB Kelvin Joseph (Baton Rouge, La./Scotlandville Magnet HS)
OG Damien Lewis ^ (Canton, Miss./Canton HS/Northwest Mississippi CC)
DT Dominic Livingston ^ (Houston , Texas/Davis HS)
WR Terrace Marshall Jr. ^ (Bossier City, La./Parkway HS)
DE Travez Moore ^ (Bastrop, La./Bastrop HS/Copiah Lincoln CC)
ATH Tae Provens ^ (Gurley, Ala./Madison County HS)
DT Dare Rosenthal ^ (Ferriday, La./Ferriday HS)
ATH Dantrieze Scott ^ (Ferriday, La./Ferriday HS)
TE Zach Sheffer ^ (Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla./Nease HS)
C Cole Smith ^ (Pontotoc, Miss./Pontotoc HS)
PK Cole Tracy ^ (Camarillo, Calif./Newbury Park/HSAssumption College)
OT Badara Traore ^ (Hyde Park, Mass./Matignon HS/ASA College)
OT Cameron Wire ^ (Gonzales, La./East Ascension HS)
Avery Atkins did NOT SIGN with LSU since he is a "walk-on". BUT, he is ALSO a part of the 2018 recruiting class just like the players listed above.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean Ree can't even argue with me and has stopped responding TWICE to points i made that he can't refute
he's already given up, but he's just picking others to engage with
What's up SlowMan? Have you already given up?
Pretty weird that you were crying in this thread yesterday morning because I wouldn't talk to you. So I take the time to reply three or four times to your ridiculous BS and you vanish without a word.
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