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re: Will this be our worst recruiting class of the millennium ?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:09 am to tigersbb
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:09 am to tigersbb
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yeah got a couple of three star guys no one else seemed to want, think one of them was named mathew or mathu. kinda spelled his name funny.
and another one named claiborne . nobody thought too high of him. with the sixth pick in the first round the Dallas Cowboys select ....... you know the rest
Class in in 09 was ranked 2nd, class in 2010 was ranked 9th, and class in 2011 was ranked 8th. Our worse class since 2008 was the 2012 class that ranked 13th.
If you consider Jeremy Hill a 2011 commit, as that's when he came out of high school, then we had one multi-year star player from that class (Kwon). Hawkins, Hunter, and Vadal were pretty good players. Mills had a great freshman year then was average the rest of the time. Debo had a great senior year, but for some reason, was never really put on the field much before that. Dural and Louis had average careers, and a couple more were role players and decent backups. We had one defensive lineman commit...ONE!
Looking at this class so far, it looks bad. A lot of people are expecting so many of these guys to develop, when we'll be lucky if 5 of the 3 stars are actually productive at any point during their careers. If you're expecting a bunch of these low ranked guys to be ready to go in their first two years, you'll be sadly mistaken. LSU has become a 3 and go factory, as well as a transfer hub. We can't rely on weak classes and compete at a top level. And weak classes are relative to the program. Most teams would take what we finish with this year, but they don't lose juniors to the draft at the same clip as we do. They don't have damn near a full string transfer on the OL and DL, They don't lose 4-5 WRs to transfer in less than 2 years.
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:43 am to The Mick
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This one cracks me up.... denial.
looks like a lot of it going on. coach o has done a nice job since the troy game on the field...but he has got to get this recruiting class in order. this sleeper and diamonds in the rough talk is all garbage. he was hired to sing blue chippers. end of story.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:56 am to Datbayoubengal
He did say of the millennium... we've had 2 in the 20's. And if you erroneously count 2000, 3 in the 20's.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:34 am to Datbayoubengal
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Looking at this class so far, it looks bad
If you look at the film for the commits it looks pretty damn good.
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A lot of people are expecting so many of these guys to develop, when we'll be lucky if 5 of the 3 stars are actually productive at any point during their careers.
Why do you say this? The 2014 class had eight 3-star signees.
Of those 8 five are on the team this year:
John Battle
D.J. Chark
Donnie Alexander
Russell Gage
Cameron Gamble
That leaves three 3-star players. Two of those transferred:
Sione Teuhema - Who played in nine games his freshman season and saw extended action on the line in LSU’s 3-4 defensive package during the final five games
Trey Lealaimatafao
The other 3-star is Brandon Bergeron who was s walk-on QB.
There was also a 0-star player who played a lot for LSU - Colin Jeter.
So yeah, I can certainly see why someone would think that only 5 of 13 3-star players "are actually productive at any point during their careers."
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:45 am to Datbayoubengal
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If you're expecting a bunch of these low ranked guys to be ready to go in their first two years, you'll be sadly mistaken.
Well count me as sadly mistaken then. EVERY THREE STAR that signed with LSU in this years class besides Aaron Moffit has played in the first 8 games this season. They are part of the 20 true freshmen who have played.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:50 am to Brunedog
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If you star gaze then maybe so
Well you are on a recruiting forum so I would think getting high star recruits would matter to you.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:10 am to Tiger Ree
The stars argument is always funny.
The fact is, more 5-stars (by % obviously) make a big impact than 4-stars and more 4-stars make a big impact than 3-stars.
This doesn't mean some 3-stars dont end up making a big impact, just over the course of time, more 4 stars make a big impact.
There's a reason top rated classes are generally turning out many NFL draft picks.
As it stands RIGHT NOW this is not a good class, but we could potentially close pretty strong, so it's not worth panicking over at all yet. Throw in guys like Cook, Surtain, Marshall, etc etc etc and the class becomes exponentially better than it is now.
Right now we have a good to great shot with:
5-star CB Surtain - #4 overall
5-star WR Marshall - #8 overall
5-star CB Cook - #14 overall
4-star QB Rogers - #28 overall (TCU commit)
4-star DB Joseph - #50 overall
4-star WR Chase - #69 overall (UF commit)
4-star WR Watkins - #75 overall
4-star WR Jason - #111 overall (KU commit)
4-star RB Joiner - #147 overall
4-star WR Keys III - #225 overall
4-star OLB Chatfield - #301 overall
The fact is, more 5-stars (by % obviously) make a big impact than 4-stars and more 4-stars make a big impact than 3-stars.
This doesn't mean some 3-stars dont end up making a big impact, just over the course of time, more 4 stars make a big impact.
There's a reason top rated classes are generally turning out many NFL draft picks.
As it stands RIGHT NOW this is not a good class, but we could potentially close pretty strong, so it's not worth panicking over at all yet. Throw in guys like Cook, Surtain, Marshall, etc etc etc and the class becomes exponentially better than it is now.
Right now we have a good to great shot with:
5-star CB Surtain - #4 overall
5-star WR Marshall - #8 overall
5-star CB Cook - #14 overall
4-star QB Rogers - #28 overall (TCU commit)
4-star DB Joseph - #50 overall
4-star WR Chase - #69 overall (UF commit)
4-star WR Watkins - #75 overall
4-star WR Jason - #111 overall (KU commit)
4-star RB Joiner - #147 overall
4-star WR Keys III - #225 overall
4-star OLB Chatfield - #301 overall
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:12 am to Carville
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O is not as good with the Moms as Miles was. I know that’s blasphemy, but it’s the truth.
Youtube - Ed Orgeron: Attracting recruits (and their parents)
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The Tigers have put the full-court press on the 2019 Under Armour All-American but are also recruiting his mother and father.
In addition to immediately touching base with Sopsher, the nation’s top defensive lineman, LSU sent mail to both of his parents. In a way, LSU is after the entire Sopsher family, which has caught the attention of the 5-star prospect.
“I feel like a priority because of how they keep talking to me every day,” Sopsher explained. “They’ve sent my mom a lot of letters and stuff. One time, they sent my mom 20 and my dad 20 letters apiece. That’s important for me — to show they care about my mom and my dad and my family and me, too. That says a lot.”
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:55 am to thunderbird1100
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The fact is, more 5-stars (by % obviously) make a big impact than 4-stars and more 4-stars make a big impact than 3-stars.
If you want to keep believing this DO NOT look at the 2014 LSU recruiting class.
By percentage it is a WHOLE lot worse for the 4 & 5 stars when compared to the 3-stars.
Considering LSU had 16 five & four stars
Clifton Garrett 5-star
Deondre Clark
Jacory Washington
Devin Voorhies
Jevonte Domond
Tony Upchurch
Trey Quinn
Brandon Harris
Like posted above, 2014 had eight 3-stars.
Five are starting this year:
John Battle
D.J. Chark
Donnie Alexander
Russell Gage
Cameron Gamble
And one was playing a lot his freshman and sophomore years before getting the boot - Sione Teuhema.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:20 am to 1999
quote:The ultimate denial is a RB regular poster who says stars don't matter. They know damn well stars matter.
but he has got to get this recruiting class in order. this sleeper and diamonds in the rough talk is all garbage. he was hired to sing blue chippers. end of story.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:22 am to Tiger Ree
quote:Now show us the same from other recruiting classes, not just your hand-picked 2014 sample. If you wan't to make a point, you should include a meaningful sample of data.
If you want to keep believing this DO NOT look at the 2014 LSU recruiting class.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:54 am to Mrs. Amaro
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I can't remember a class being so poor at this stage of the year since 2004-2005.
maybe see a doctor and a ct scan. You might have old timers disease.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:14 pm to The Mick
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Now show us the same from other recruiting classes, not just your hand-picked 2014 sample. If you wan't to make a point, you should include a meaningful sample of data.
I had previously done the #'s on the 2014 class. The bottom line is the numbers from 2014 cannot be disputed. As great as the class was.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:44 pm to Tiger Ree
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If you want to keep believing this DO NOT look at the 2014 LSU recruiting class.
You cant look at 1, 2 guys or draw broad sweeping conclusions from microcosms.
The NFL has proven over and over again the hit rate on 5 stars is bigger than 4 stars which is bigger than 3 stars. There's A LOT more 4 stars than 5 which is why sometimes it seems not to be the case, same with 3 stars vs. both 4 and 5s. Going by the law of averages/%, you're better off with a 5-star vs. 4-star vs. 3-star. Again, this doesnt mean in SITUATIONS a 3 star wont be better than a 5 star.
Again, there's a reason a team like Alabama with countless #1 classes has churned out NFL draft picks like crazy in the past handful of years. 4 and 5 stars have higher hit rates, bottom line.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:46 pm to Tiger Ree
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LSU's RB coach was the #2 recruiter in the nation last year per 24/7.
Preach
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Austin Thomas was instrumental in LSU landing two #1 players at their position last class.
Hire this punk arse to be the AD - today, right now. Seriously.
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Meatball - Dennis Johnson - was the lead recruiter for Chaisson and Shelvin.
Meatball was a GA about a year ago. Fantastic young assistant coach, who's best skill is recruiting
Aranda is okay, but he's weird. Recruits have to bond with him and that's tough. If they do, he does well, though.
Ensminger is underrated. He's lost some battles to Saban, but that's more on Saban doing a great job than Ensminger doing a poor one.
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One thing that hurts is that it is considered a down year for La this class.
Truth - and we better make up for it next year - 2019 is probably the best year for LSU high school players since 2001 - Louisiana had a ton of national top 100 type players, and LSU signed 6 of them.
We're going to need to do that well or better next year. Good news, we've already got a head start with a lot of great players from Louisiana in that class.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:54 pm to Ace Midnight
Robinson was #2 in the country last year but his career shows that was more of an anomaly likely as a result of recruiting LA kids to USC during a season which they went on a roll.
He has been at best a mediocre recruiter most of his career. At Texas he was going to get fired before he left mainly because he couldn’t recruit.
He has been at best a mediocre recruiter most of his career. At Texas he was going to get fired before he left mainly because he couldn’t recruit.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:04 pm to thunderbird1100
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You cant look at 1, 2 guys or draw broad sweeping conclusions from microcosms.
I was just pointing out that for the 2014 class it is a fallacy to think that on a percentage basis that the 4&5 stars were more productive for LSU than the 3 stars. It's a fact that they weren't.
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The NFL has proven over and over again the hit rate on 5 stars is bigger than 4 stars
LSU hasn't necessarily followed suit with the NFL. LSU has a lot of transfers including 5-stars Clifton Garrett from 2014, Tyron Johnson from 2015 and Saivion Smith from 2016. That's just the 5-stars, there was a lot more attrition among the 4's. In 2015 LSU had 2 5-stars total that signed, one left. I don't think players can transfer in the NFL.
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this doesnt mean in SITUATIONS a 3 star wont be better than a 5 star
I'm not necessarily talking about a 3 star being better than a five, I'm pretty sure that is fairly rare. I think that in college football it is more possible for 4 & 5 stars to bail if the situation does not suit them exactly as they expect and there are always a bunch that just aren't as good as their stars would suggest.
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#1 classes has churned out NFL draft picks like crazy in the past handful of years. 4 and 5 stars have higher hit rates, bottom line.
Again, for the NFL I totally agree.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 2:10 pm to 1999
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he was hired to sing blue chippers. end of story.
He was hired to win and compete for championships. To do this, he has stated he needs to recruit better, especially on the lines, than we have in the past. The proof of whether he is doing his job will be on the field, not on the 247 class rankings. end of story.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 2:35 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:No one was talking about the 2014 class. If you're going to use data to prove your point then at least make it somewhat believable. Singling out one class and a few players is ignorant.
I had previously done the #'s on the 2014 class. The bottom line is the numbers from 2014 cannot be disputed. As great as the class was.
ps - unless your original comment was along the lines of "hey, maybe we'll get lucky with these 3 stars like we did in 2014".. Then I retract my statement and hostility towards you, my fellow man.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 10/31/17 at 2:45 pm to Mrs. Amaro
We've had high ranking classes in the past where a majority failed to produce. As long as they are filling needs with quality, I'll be happy. We have lots of holes to fill and add depth to.
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