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Posted on 9/30/09 at 11:46 am to
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 11:46 am to
As great as that resume is, I can see it being overshadowed in a recruit's mind by the struggles in the running game this season. However, that would require an entire year of ineptitude, and it's too early to say that after 4 games, even though the running game has actually regressed so far.

If I was Lache, I would be watching Shep's development very carefully this year.
Posted by Brown Mountain
Covington, La
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 11:48 am to
Is Lache graduating in Dec?
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 11:52 am to
I think that was his intention. Not sure if that's still the plan though.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 11:52 am to
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Is Lache graduating in Dec?


He said at one point he was going to try to, but I think he said later on that he wasn't going to be able to.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
289327 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 12:03 pm to
Shep gets 8-10 carries vs UGA

you heard it hear first


and for some reason i doubt Lache will base his decision on who runs the ball better this season between the schools
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 12:20 pm to
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pick LSU over Auburn given how the season is playing out for both teams offensively? Good majority of LSU fans were counting on Auburn falling apart once the season got going, but instead you have LSU rushing for 30 yards vs the same team AU put 400 on.

don't be "that" guy.
Posted by TxTiger25
Houston
Member since Jan 2006
10289 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 12:32 pm to
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this is a message board for fb discussion, why the f are you here?


It's a message board to get insight into what's going on in recruiting, not for starting bullshite threads designed to take a jab at our team. You can bitch and moan and complain all you want, but all that does is make you miserable. I stopped doing that gay shite in high school. Part of being a man is not whining all the time about gay shite you can't change.

Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 1:00 pm to
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Auburn on the other hand has a clear cut plan for tailback in the coming years


I would not say this. The jury is still out on McCalleb. He has had some nice runs where he got around the corner, but I am certainly not sold he would be a better back than Lache. I do not think the coaches are either. I expect his production to fall off as the year goes on, though I hope it does not.

Smith is a bruiser, fullback type that runs between the tackles. Fannin is in the slot and not a runningback.

Next year, we lose Tate. Our backfield will be wide open. I could see us having room for Dyer and Lache both without a problem. This of course depends on how McCalleb does the rest of the year, but I seriously am not sure if he continues to produce big. Dyer is more of the Tate type back. Tate and McCalleb are working well together so far and I think Dyer is most important to us to replace Tate, but I think Lache (should we get him) might very well beat out McCalleb next year.

Also, 31 players have seen playing time for AU this year for the first time. We are basically playing everybody and have plenty of room for freshmen to be big time contributors immediately.
We will see.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 1:02 pm
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 1:05 pm to
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It's a message board to get insight into what's going on in recruiting, not for starting bullshite threads designed to take a jab at our team. You can bitch and moan and complain all you want, but all that does is make you miserable. I stopped doing that gay shite in high school. Part of being a man is not whining all the time about gay shite you can't change.


Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 1:13 pm to


Hopefully a recruit can see that running against 8 defenders is tough. Yet, once Jefferson is allow/has full grasp/gets more experience, he will be able to look to open the game up. Eventually, the defense will have to defend the middle and long part of the field.

Difference between Lee and Jefferson last year and this year? Crowton let Lee use the entire playbook, which calls for middle reads/audibles when the defense is stuffing the run with too many defenders. That is one of the reason for the INTs by so many LBs. Last year, teams respected the LSU passing scheme/ability/attempts by dropping LBs and safeties into coverage. When that happens, you start to run.

Presently, teams are forcing Jefferson to learn NOW. They take away the safer running plays. They want to fouce the true sophomore into mistakes.

If Jefferson can progress enough where he can look off the primary deep receiver and find the other one or two...and recognize coverage so he can hit the middle receiver...then the running game will come around.

This calls for experience. This requires Jefferson to learn fast. So either LSU needs open the entire playbook and let Jefferson take more lumps (per Lee last year) or keep bring Jefferson along and hope for the close wins to keep coming.
Posted by Linkovich
crater lake
Member since Feb 2007
9550 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 1:18 pm to
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Clearly the problem is with coaching. Once Studrawa is fired and a better offensive line coach is brought in, the players on the offensive line will be better managed and the team will actually be able to block for the running backs.


I can't put all the blame on Stud...isn't this Miles niche too. Listen, before people start blowing things out of proportion here, I'll say this: what I am saying is constructive type critizism and I will not down anyone. I think arguments can be laid down on both sides, but there are some logical arguments here.

Why aren't we seeing more of our talented younger guys?

I think Shep is truely one that makes the most sense to argue because you see his ability as soon as you touch the ball. Shep has a couple things hurting him. I think JJ is a rhythm type guy. Subbing in and out for him breaks tendancy just as I think the calling of a play, stop looking back at the line of scrimmmage, audibling to something else does. Personally, I think guys like Charlie Strong and Saban are licking their chops to get to play mind games with JJ during the audibling. Another, thing I think is hurting him is that no one can decide whether to keep him at QB or move him to a slot type of player in mold of Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin, what ever other person you think of.

Randle is a hard argument because from what I understand Crowton's playbook is large and heavy lean on Wr's being able to adapt to coverage makes it tough for a young guy to get in there. Plus he has two WR in front and some fifth year guys that are looking pretty good. Mitchell should have about three TD's already and Jackson is looking pretty good.

This leads to the second big issue... The offense and offensive playcalling.

What are we trying to do with this team? What are our strengths? What is our go to? We've been runng long pass routes, or running charles up the gut or keiland to the sidelines. If I'm a coordinator, I would be pinning the D's ears back and letting loose, ala Mississippi State. An offense like this should rely heavy on some jail break screens, middle screens for RB's and TE's. I never thought I'd see the day where I wish I had Jimbo Fisher calling the middle screen for Bowe...Ever. I can't understand why we run Charles out of the shotgun and Keiland out of the I. That just seems backwards to me. Put Charles in a two tight, single back formation and try that. The offense just seems off, and if the Oline is struggling, use the quick routes or misdirection or screens...anything to give the D something to think about and help alleviate the smash mouth football that isn't working yet.

Ultimately, I think the playcalling needs to get much better. Our creativity is lacking. Before Badcat and Sammobile get on here and start the usual, I know I'm not a coach, I know LSU is 4-0, and I know Miles is a winning coach, and I agree. I also know that I have no clue what happens behind close doors at practices and in meetings. I'm pleased with being 4-0 but not thrilled with the way we've done it. I think this team has the talent to be dominant; I just want to see it start to show. I really want to beat Georgia...Geaux Tiger.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 1:54 pm to
That's a good post, Linkovich. I agree with you about Randle (both in terms of the playbook and the depth chart) and the lack of identity with the current offense. Here are my thoughts on your other points.

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I think Shep is truely one that makes the most sense to argue because you see his ability as soon as you touch the ball. Shep has a couple things hurting him. I think JJ is a rhythm type guy. Subbing in and out for him breaks tendancy just as I think the calling of a play, stop looking back at the line of scrimmmage, audibling to something else does. Personally, I think guys like Charlie Strong and Saban are licking their chops to get to play mind games with JJ during the audibling.


I agree about Strong and Saban, but we still continue to do the audible on 75-80% of the plays. I don't think that the coaches aren't using Shep because it will take Jefferson out of a rhythm. They do the constant audibles even though that does the exact same thing. It just seems like we don't have enough plays for Shep to run. He's done one zone read with Holiday I believe, but other than that he just runs up the middle. It's just that he is so explosive that he can pull that weak play off and gain 7-8 yards almost every time.

quote:

An offense like this should rely heavy on some jail break screens, middle screens for RB's and TE's. I never thought I'd see the day where I wish I had Jimbo Fisher calling the middle screen for Bowe...Ever.


Agreed.

quote:

The offense just seems off, and if the Oline is struggling, use the quick routes or misdirection or screens...anything to give the D something to think about and help alleviate the smash mouth football that isn't working yet.


Agreed again.

quote:

can't understand why we run Charles out of the shotgun and Keiland out of the I. That just seems backwards to me. Put Charles in a two tight, single back formation and try that.


I think they are doing it so the offense won't be completely predictable, but it's putting both guys in a position where they aren't going to do particularly well. Sometimes I think Crowton out-thinks himself. He will run a play 2-3 times and gain a first down each time. Then we won't see it again for the rest of the game, even though the defense hasn't stopped it. That explains why we rarely see Keiland on screens to the long side of the field or even just running outside.

The offensive line, especially at guard and center, is not going to be good this year. However, there are definitely ways around that weakness with creative playcalling and quick plays to pick up short yardage (5-8 yards). Unfortunately, we are not seeing the antidotes to this team's weaknesses so far.
Posted by Monk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
3660 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 2:23 pm to
Seems pretty obvious to me that NSD is a long way away but I would think he might see all of the senior RBS that we are losing and notice that the frosh RB at AU is looking pretty good so far. It's also obvious that Les is committed to a running attack.

If he's really in the gamne, he might also consider that GC is going nowhere yet Malzahn is likely to be gone in 2 years or less. Also, he might look at the OL recruiting and notice that AU will be relying on walk-ons and 2 stars for the next couple of years whereas LSU has some hosses coming up.

We looked a lot better that AU did at this point last year and look where that ended up.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 2:30 pm to
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AU will be relying on walk-ons and 2 stars for the next couple of years


We will have the best offensive line in the SEC next year made up of mostly seniors from the number 1 O-line class in the country 3 years ago.

After that, we will have to see, but we are set next year.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 3:15 pm to
If I was a recruit In his position I would be more interested in playing in a offense with Toliver, Sheperd, Randle, Jefferson, and Ford. Getting Reed to come along would make it even more interesting. The specialty position have to be considered far more appealing.

Auburn is my second favorite team. I grew up an Auburn fan because my dad is an alum. I just think it looks better from a football perspective.
Posted by LSUBlake8
Pville
Member since Aug 2008
343 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 3:48 pm to
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1) AU is better offensively, both running and passing.
2) AU is playing freshmen while LSU is not.
3) AU is winning "pretty" and LSU is not.


Pump the brakes.....let's let the season play out before making these assessments.....we DO get to play them.

AU is better..but we still will beat em.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26497 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 4:38 pm to
I don't know where he goes, toss up!

I do know that LSU doesn't need him, but I sure as hell do want him to come here.

Ridley is the best running back on the team. That's right. I said it. Now throw in Ford, and Ware and I think we are stacked at RB. Murphy could be the KW type of back next year and Lache is probably better.

If we can get a killer offensive lineman (note the word killer) instead of Lache I think the TEAM would be better off with the lineman.

That said I know it doesn't work that way so I am hoping we pull him in.

Oh and did I mention RIDLEY is the best back on the team! I know I did but you needed to hear it again!
Posted by tigermoney
Member since Oct 2008
366 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

Ridley is the best running back on the team.


how do you know this?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 4:58 pm to
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What about Fannin? He's rolling out 7.5 yards per touch himself and will be a senior next season.


Fannin really isn't utilized completely as a running back. He's put in the slot more often than not and runs the ball typically while running some sort of Wildcat play. I don't think this will change next year.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26497 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 5:01 pm to
quote:

how do you know this?


Because the times that he has played he has looked almost as good as Cecil the Diesel was!
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