re: Why Saban Outrecruits Everyone: Pulled an offer on a kid yesterday

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No more so than a dozen other coaches.

For YEARS NFL coaches have called college coaches to ask about kids. This isn't something that Saban has a monopoly over. It's just sound business practice for NFL coaches.

If you "proof" is that Belichik places the occasional call in the offseason to "talk defense" with Saban, you really need some help.

One thing is for sure -- Nick Saban was a total failure in the NFL and clearly doesn't understand what it takes to succeed at the next level. Just because he can recruit 5* "can't miss" recruits, some of whom go on to be first round picks, says virtually nothing about his ability "to coach players up" to NFL standards.

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THIS is my whole point.

But, Saban convinces recruits and their families that HE and the University of Alabama are the ones who will put them in the NFL, if they just trust him because HE sees something special. He is a liar. Any top coach/program can and does do that. But, Saban has figured out how to make his lies work to his advantage.

NFL coaches always call to ask about kids, but Saban makes those phone calls sound like he is advising NFL teams on who to draft. It is all in how you spin it. And, Saban is a great spinner.

I have never said he isn't a great coach. He is. But, his elite status is because he is a liar. Not because he is that much better. Add the lies to his own natural ability and you have an elite coach. If Saban were honest, he would be no different than any other good-great coach.

I really feel like we git some seriously bad unwanted press on the oversigning. Our biggest class under miles was 27, 2 guys from that class career finished before it started.

Im looking around and people have 25, 26,27, 33. I mean frick esp.

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Wait a second, this is capitulation. When the thread started, you considered the proposition that Saban was highly respected in the NFL to be(emoticon) "laughable," with a "rotflmao" thrown in for good measure. That's what sparked this debate.

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Do you really think that we are going to let you come here and LIE like your lying, f'ing SCUMBAG coach?




THIS is what got this whole discussion started --

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Multiple NFL teams and scouts - including Bill Belicheck, arguably the best coach in the NFL - have a stated preference for drafting Saban's players because he does such a good job mentally preparing them to play in the league.

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And, now, after clearly showing everyone on here what a f'ing joke you are, you come back for more, with MORE LIES?


Apparently, your lying scumbag coach's ways are rubbing off on the entire fan base. Killing trees, sexual assaulting passed out fans from other teams, and now you're coming here thinking you can get away with lying in the same f'ing string?

Yeah, Saban is having a great influence over northern Alabama!

Lying Scumbag Coach = Lying Scumbag Fans

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Do you really think that we are going to let you come here and LIE like your lying, f'ing SCUMBAG coach?

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And, now, after clearly showing everyone on here what a f'ing joke you are, you come back for more, with MORE LIES?

Apparently, your lying scumbag coach's ways are rubbing off on the entire fan base. Killing trees, sexual assaulting passed out fans from other teams, and now you're coming here thinking you can get away with lying in the same f'ing string?

Yeah, Saban is having a great influence over northern Alabama!

Lying Scumbag Coach = Lying Scumbag Fans

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Dude, calm down, I'm an LSU fan. A devoted one, at that. I live thousands of miles away from Baton Rouge but still have season tickets. Beyond home games, I usually travel to a couple of away games as well. This year I was in Dallas, Tuscaloosa, and at the NCG. I'm an LSU fan. I hate Bama.

However, I have to be objective about Saban's attributes.

My point was that Saban is respected in the NFL and has a history of first round picks, which helps him recruit well. Apparently we agree on the fact that he is respected in the NFL. You want to quibble about Belicheck. Note that I wrote that Bellicheck had a STATED PREFERENCE for drafting Saban's players, which he does, based on CNNSI's reporting and that of other credible outlets. Belicheck has said he prefers Saban's players. That's all. No need for the "scumbag" jihad.

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I really feel like we git some seriously bad unwanted press on the oversigning. Our biggest class under miles was 27, 2 guys from that class career finished before it started.

Im looking around and people have 25, 26,27, 33. I mean frick esp.

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Why do you think the Eliot Porter story was reported the way it was? To do double duty - a shot against LSU and top cover for the guy who is the reason for the rule right now. I don't know what's more shocking - that the league passed the rule or that Bama has to obey it.

Here's what really happened.


The kid got hurt during the season but he was told AL was going to honor his scholorship. So he didn't take anymore visits.

On signing day AL signed a Rivals Top 250 DT they didn't think they were going to get and it put them over the limit. They had to cut someone. Saban had another coachcall Phelon and told him they wanted him to greyshirt because they signed the other kid. This is 30 minutes before the kid's press conference to announce with his teammate who was already going to Arkansas.

The kid was crying because this hurt him. He had been committed to AL for a year and this happens 30 minutes before he is about to sign. He left school and ernt home to visit with his parents to decide what to do. They are not wealthy and could not pay for the first semester. The kid decided to sign with Arkansas and go with his teammate.

I understand the Justin Taylor thing because he is from GA. But it's absurd to do this to an in-state school in one of the most fertile recruiting areas in the South. There are 3 schools that produce a lot of talent. This doesn't include the rest of the Mobile area. If I were folks in that area I would be pissed. If any other school did this, it would get turned into a race issue.

It's simply nonsense for Saban to do this to an instate kid that has been committed for a year. I don't have a problem with him running his program like an NFL franchise, but to do it 30 minutes before the kids' presser is about as shitty a thing as he could do, and that's a big statement considering all the shitty stuff he does.

Does this surprise anyone out there? Saban is not concerned with building/molding young men to handle the pressures and ups and downs of life. Miles makes this a priority. Players fear saban, players respect Miles.

But, again, way to deflect. You guys are really good at this.

Do you have a parking ticket for Miles that you can link to as well to divert attention from your lying coach?

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No one has answered how in the world Philon was going to greyshirt when Saban took 26 in this class. How was Alabama going to backcount him? Was Philon just supposed to TRUST that Saban would hold a spot open for him for next year's class? At least he is not stupid.

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I have no issue with answering and I can use facts, unlike the OP that used an article that did not one quote from Philon and was written buy an Auburn homer. Great source btw.

In regards again to your OP which apparantly you could not provide actual facts just a link to speculation again read.

"The Arkansas thing came along this week," Kyles added. "Before signing day, he had said he was going to go on and go to Arkansas."

He knew before signing say and was going to commit to Ark before signing day. So it was not yanked on the way to the podium or the day of. Sorry nice try.

In regards to numbers. Rivals shows that UA signed 22 to the 2011 class. That would mean that UA has 3 open spots for the 2012 class to back count into. Or as the new SEC 25 rule calls, to apply to the midyear exemptions

Now let me do the math for you since you apparantly can not. 3 from the 2011 class plus 25 with the 2012 class=28. UA could sign 28 this year. If you need further explanation on the math please ask.

UA signed 26 total yesterday to scholarships. 2 players were offered grayshirts. Philon and Taylor, both who were recovering from season ending injuries. Since UA only signed 26 and 3 of those are being backcounted to 2011, UA only signed 23 to the 2012 class. Again simple math for you. 26-3=23, 25(2012 class)-23=2 for the 2013 class that UA will be able to backcount next year. Hence Taylor and Philon if both would have accepted the grayshirts, both would have enrolled next Jan on full scholarships and counted against the 2012 class. So yes they were asked to grayshirt but still would have counted against the 2012 class but would have been giving another 6 months to fully heal without affecting their eligibility. Such a mean thing to do preserving their eligibility in case they do not get cleared in time for fall camp. BTW both are still in rehab.

Regarding taking spots I guess as a LSU fan you do not follow recruiting. The week leading up to the BCS game in NOLA and the night of, 2 spots opened up on UAs roster for 2012. UA was out of the race that week for Goldman and Kirven took his spot and took an OV 3 weeks later. Jenkins the night of the game picked UGA and Tomlinson took that spot. Which btw he took his OV prior and he was quoted as saying we told him to hold off because their might not be room. So when Jenkins and Goldman dropped UA we gave their spots to Kirven and Tomlinson.

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All of these guys getting recruited are outstanding high school athletes who are used to having their arse kissed and being told they are amazing... the idea that they are someone who might get cut, have an offer withdrawn, or processed probably just doesn't occur to them until it happens.

So no, I doubt this hurts recruiting for Saban or others guilty of these types of behaviors.

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This is exactly right. Saban plays to both their insecurity (need affirmation) and their ego (they are the best and now SABAN said so). The aura is more impressive than what he can actually do for them.

For example, it is obvious that Ron Cooper is a better DB coach than Saban is. He is taking guys who are not as heralded and is putting them in the NFL. If you look at what he did at South Carolina and what he is doing at LSU, it is ridiculous. But, Saban gets the pub because that is the story. So, he recruits more top guys.

Again, I am not saying that Saban is not a great coach. He is. But, this aura around him is a myth. We could have exploded in on January 9th, but we didn't - too bad. But, we need to see things the way they really are. The guy is a liar.