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re: Why is Jonathan McKnight considered a National Recruit?
Posted on 5/28/09 at 11:37 pm to LSUzealot
Posted on 5/28/09 at 11:37 pm to LSUzealot
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you do realize all of our recruits run "4.4s & 4.5s" when being timed by hand.
right...like Trevon Reed who just ran a 4.59??
3/4's of the times you read on these websites are bull shite...shite, prob closer to 90%
and like DJ Welter runs in the low 4.5's @ 225....my fricking arse
This post was edited on 5/28/09 at 11:38 pm
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Posted on 5/28/09 at 11:39 pm to Cash
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Just wanted to see if JT Curtis hate for LSU has been brought up and if he is behind all of this evil?
actually, no!!
just some people that think 4.62 isnt close to 4.65....
Posted on 5/28/09 at 11:41 pm to Lester Earl
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actually, no!!
SOB, the rant disappoints
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just some people that think 4.62 isnt close to 4.65....
yet they rally
Posted on 5/28/09 at 11:47 pm to Lester Earl
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and Zenon was clocked differently from a 4.62 and 4.54
there is no difference from a 4.65 and 4.62. So yes, its up to par.
Zenon had a best of 4.55. That's much quicker than 4.65. Jackson was the 4.62 (best).
Why can't you just admit you were wrong? You said a 4.65 is up to par with the CBs we've had recently at LSU. Yet it's not. Not only is that slower than every CB we've had recently, but it's only even close to 1 guy in Jackson who ran the only best of in the 4.6s (4.62) as of recently.
EVERYONE else was in the 4.5s. How is a 4.65 up to par with 4.5s?
Posted on 5/28/09 at 11:48 pm to Lester Earl
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just some people that think 4.62 isnt close to 4.65....
Are you really this dense? No one has said this but yourself.
Posted on 5/28/09 at 11:58 pm to Lester Earl
The fact that he is 149 pounds is far more alarming. Even his Rivals profile lists him about 170 pounds, and those basic profiles are full of exaggerations.
McKnight's speed though isn't the problem. Just like Reed has the potential to be a 4.45 guy with training, McKnight can probably run in the 4.5-4.55 range in four years if he stays in the same weight range. Of course, he will have to gain 35-40 pounds to be taken seriously as a defensive back, so that can affect him.
It's also important to understand that there are 26 three-star "athletes" who are ranked above him right now. If his last name was Powell, Jackson, or Williams I have a very hard time seeing a guy with those numbers getting early offers from Saban and Kiffin.
McKnight's speed though isn't the problem. Just like Reed has the potential to be a 4.45 guy with training, McKnight can probably run in the 4.5-4.55 range in four years if he stays in the same weight range. Of course, he will have to gain 35-40 pounds to be taken seriously as a defensive back, so that can affect him.
It's also important to understand that there are 26 three-star "athletes" who are ranked above him right now. If his last name was Powell, Jackson, or Williams I have a very hard time seeing a guy with those numbers getting early offers from Saban and Kiffin.
Posted on 5/29/09 at 12:07 am to thunderbird1100
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Why can't you just admit you were wrong
Im not wrong at all. Id make that statement 100 more times with the same conviction.
our CBs recently have not been blazers. I dont know what is so hard to understand,.
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but it's only even close to 1 guy in Jackson who ran the only best of in the 4.6s (4.62
Zenon and travis Daniels both ran similar times at one point(4.6's). So that point holds no water.
all these guys were supposed to be fast...well they played fast...but when it came down to it their speed was only marginal..Whether u are talking 4.5 or 4,6s for a CB
Posted on 5/29/09 at 12:09 am to Keys Open Doors
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If his last name was Powell, Jackson, or Williams I have a very hard time seeing a guy with those numbers getting early offers from Saban and Kiffin.
have you seen him play?
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The fact that he is 149 pounds is far more alarming. Even his Rivals profile lists him about 170 pounds, and those basic profiles are full of exaggerations.
there has to be some explanation for that weight. He wasnt that skinny when i saw him play this season.
whether it mistype, he was sick, or he had dropped weight from running track, i dont know,
Posted on 5/29/09 at 12:16 am to Lester Earl
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have you seen him play?
Yeah, he looks good in 2A action. He reminds me of another undersized but talented guy from LA, Ridge Turner, who was another 3-star from the southern part of the state. I don't think McKnight is as versatile though.
Of course, Ridge didn't have a famous older brother or a legendary private school backing him. He also had pretty shitty grades. I'm not if he ever qualified.
Posted on 5/29/09 at 12:20 am to Keys Open Doors
he's not really undersized, cause he has the weight. After a RS year he'll be fine physically.
you think coaches like Nick Saban are stupid enough to offer him because of his last name? Maybe teh school has some effect, just because everyone wants to get a pipeline into there
but if the offers hold up, it will be because the kid can play.
look forward to a monster SR year. You'll hear his name a lot
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Of course, Ridge didn't have a famous older brother or a legendary private school backing him.
you think coaches like Nick Saban are stupid enough to offer him because of his last name? Maybe teh school has some effect, just because everyone wants to get a pipeline into there
but if the offers hold up, it will be because the kid can play.
look forward to a monster SR year. You'll hear his name a lot
Posted on 5/29/09 at 12:27 am to Lester Earl
Pelini has offered a lot of the LA guys ranked between 10 and 25 over the past couple years. Saban has been pretty liberal with his LA offers too. He definitely wants to build a pipeline into the state, and while Sentimore was a great pick-up, that's all he's really gotten. He alienated Rayville's coach even though he got Kenny Bell, and he clearly hasn't built a pipeline South LA despite getting Eddie Lacy (until he fails to qualify). Keep in mind, Saban offered Broadway pretty much before any other major program besides UConn.
And yes, I think Kiffin is an idiot.
I'm not saying Jonathan McKnight is a bad player, but he does not strike me as the kind of guy who should be getting COs from places like USC, LSU, Bama, Florida, etc., and that's what I consider a national recruit.
That's my guess, and it's understandable for that to happen in the off-season. However, as he regains his weight (and gains additional weight), he should also lose some speed.
And yes, I think Kiffin is an idiot.
I'm not saying Jonathan McKnight is a bad player, but he does not strike me as the kind of guy who should be getting COs from places like USC, LSU, Bama, Florida, etc., and that's what I consider a national recruit.
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there has to be some explanation for that weight. He wasnt that skinny when i saw him play this season. whether it mistype, he was sick, or he had dropped weight from running track, i dont know,
That's my guess, and it's understandable for that to happen in the off-season. However, as he regains his weight (and gains additional weight), he should also lose some speed.
Posted on 5/29/09 at 2:41 am to Lester Earl
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Chevis Jackson 4.62
Zenon 4.62 and 4.54 at LSU pro day
Travis Daniels 4.59 at combine 4.45 at pro day
Randall Gay is the only real burner that has came out lately at CB
even Webster was like a 4.50 guy
yeah and if McKnight was timed at the combine or pro day he would clock as good a time as those guys?
they all probably were listed as 4.4 to 4.5 guys in high school and were actually not that fast.
JMcK is listed as a 4.65 out of high school so he would probably be a legitimate 4.7 guy who is quick but not fast
Posted on 5/29/09 at 7:13 am to True23Tiger
your post doesn't make sense
not jackson. that's why he was so freaking low-rated
zenon was no highly-regarded recruit, but his problem was that he weighed like 160 or something when he came to LSU
combine and pro day = hand times
if chevis jackson ran a 4.65 via hand times, he'd be running around a 4.7 if he was laser-timed
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they all probably were listed as 4.4 to 4.5 guys in high school and were actually not that fast.
not jackson. that's why he was so freaking low-rated
zenon was no highly-regarded recruit, but his problem was that he weighed like 160 or something when he came to LSU
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yeah and if McKnight was timed at the combine or pro day he would clock as good a time as those guys?
combine and pro day = hand times
if chevis jackson ran a 4.65 via hand times, he'd be running around a 4.7 if he was laser-timed
Posted on 5/29/09 at 7:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Zenon's dad once delivered a parcel to my farm. He's a real nice guy.
Posted on 5/29/09 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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your post doesn't make sense
likewise
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not jackson. that's why he was so freaking low-rated
I said he was probably listed as a 4.4 to a 4.5 guy
LINK
and he was....
my point being if high school players are usually slower than what these sights report...and JMcK is "reported" as running a 4.65.
The he is probably putting up slower times than 4.65.
The players who are being evaluated by the NFL have 40 times that are more reliable...you can't compare a high school kids subjective "reported" 40 time to the guys coming out of college being evaluated by the NFL.
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