re: What could have the coaching staff done differently, outside of the NCG,.....

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but saban coaches safety's better then anyone, maybe not CB's, but safety's? Yes.

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...and Cooper can't?

We've argued this and both coaches are elite at what they do.

If the chick wasn't at Alabama, Collins would be at LSU.

Our staff is as goods anyone's, I know the girl played a big part in his desicion.

I am just glad it's over

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We have had 2 number 1 safety's since miles has been here, chad jones and Craig loston.

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Reid was 6th
Taylor was 9th

Which group turned out better?


All I'm arguing is that these rankings mean jack.

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I don't think that can be verified, but if that really is his rationale, it's really poor reasoning.

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his direct quote was LSU players dont seem happy.


had they won the game, or even played them close, they would have been in better spirits.

pretty cut and dry. He saw all the tweets, he talked to some players, etc.

something needs to be done about ensminger.

Once again, I agree with Lee on this topic.

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something needs to be done about ensminger.

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Leave da Don out of this.

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I'm not being a smartass or anything because I think it's a legit question. You can't MAKE a kid decide on what school he wants to go play ball.

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It's not a legit question. It's ludicrous. It's a form of irrational fatalism. Basically, you are contending that there is NOTHING that ANY coach could have done at ANY point in time to coax Collins into coming to LSU. Nothing. Collins was fated to go to Bama. He was a preordained Bama commitment from the time of birth, like some Calvanist elect. Nothing could derail the will of the Tide god. I mean, it's ridiculous.

Worse yet, no one has the information necessary to answer the question one way or the other. I don't know, and you don't know, and no one here knows, exactly what the LSU coaches said to Collins in their many years of association with the kid, how they pitched Collins, what their demeanor was with Collins and his family, what factors Collins considered to be most important, what questions Collins asked of the LSU staff, how they responded, how Collins was treated on his visits, what LSU employees texted to Collins, how they woooed his HS staff, or any of the other interactions between the LSU coaches and Collins. Hence, it's possible that they could have done ANY of these innumerable things differently and secured a different outcome. They could have said different things to him, done a better job appreciating his primary concerns, done a better job addressing those concerns, done a better job selling him on the LSU experience or the benefits of being close to home, done a better job convincing him that LSU was the best path to NFL success, done a better job on his visits, done a better job establishing rapport with his family, done a better job establishing a personal connection with the kid himself, done a better job courting his high school staff, and on and on and on. I'm only beginning to scratch the surface of things LSU might have done differently with Landon to alter the outcome. This list is nearly infinite. And what about things that the staff could have done outside of contact with Landon to change his mind and make LSU more appealing? Maybe a better gameplan in the NCG? Maybe two national titles in the last three years? Maybe fewer embarrassments like the Tennessee game or the Ole Miss game? After all, Collins was apparently making his decisions based on things that occurred years ago, according to his own account. And what about that pesky girlfriend? How is it that Saban could foresee her importance to Collins, establish rapport with her, effectively recruit her as well as Landon, convince her come to Bama, offer her a job in the AD (apparently not a violation), etc.? Why couldn't LSU do the same and try to win the girlfriend to their side? Or was she fated to attend Bama as well?

The point is that there are limitless things that LSU coaches might have done differently to secure Collins's commitment. The only thing we can be absolutely sure of is that he chose to attend Bama. It is much more likely that the choice was a product of being outrecruited and outwitted by Alabama's staff than that it was the product of some immutable predeterminism. Recruiting is a skill game, not luck.

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The point is that there are limitless things that LSU coaches might have done differently to secure Collins's commitment. The only thing we can be absolutely sure of is that he chose to attend Bama. It is much more likely that the choice was a product of being outrecruited and outwitted by Alabama's staff than that it was the product of some immutable predeterminism. Recruiting is a skill game, not luck.

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You said all that, and the reason he went to bama was because of his g/f.

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The312

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All that and all you did was basically repeat yourself in that entire thesis.

So you're going to blame the coaches for something that you have no idea what went down and what was said.

Got it.

At least we know you're realistic and will take every possibility into consideration before blaming the coaching staff.