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re: Trey Quinn 10.4 100 meter
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:52 pm to Pear
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:52 pm to Pear
You do realize how incredibly unreliable hand timing is right? His fastest listed 100 meter that is official is 10.64 with a 22.41 200 meter time. Still relatively quick, but these aren't mind blowing times at all.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No. Even Landry didn't contribute much at WR to start his career.
Landry was not as polished as Quinn in high school. Quinn is not raw, he's football smart and a coaches sin who has broken down tape fir years.
Big numbers? Depends on the qb. He will play and put up great nu.Vera as a possessive receiver
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:23 pm to tigerwave168
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You do realize how incredibly unreliable hand timing is right? His fastest listed 100 meter that is official is 10.64 with a 22.41 200 meter time. Still relatively quick, but these aren't mind blowing times at all
Good point tigerwave168, I know plenty of 200 lb high school kids running less than a 10.64 second FAT 100m........said no one!
Posted on 3/26/14 at 6:32 pm to GeeOH
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Landry was not as polished as Quinn in high school
LOL
Posted on 3/26/14 at 7:48 pm to TigerAlum93
good point TigerAlum93, but you also don't understand relativity. He's 6'1. "Fast" is Trindon Holliday who weighs 20 lbs less and is also half a foot shorter. The fact that he's 200 pounds means nothing. Barkevious Mingo ran a 49 second 400 meter in high school. Athletes that have run faster 100s than Quinn in high school that are around 200 pounds and if they aren't, are certainly big proportionately to their height: Jeff Demps, Jacoby Ford, Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Cordarrelle Patterson, D'Anthony Thomas..I can keep going if necessary.
I'm not saying Quinn isn't a great athlete because he is. My point is just that it's not THAT surprising that he can run a 10.6 in the 100. If he goes 10.4 FAT in the 100, that's something thread-worthy.
I'm not saying Quinn isn't a great athlete because he is. My point is just that it's not THAT surprising that he can run a 10.6 in the 100. If he goes 10.4 FAT in the 100, that's something thread-worthy.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:24 pm to Pear
Deceptive speed. High motor. Gym rat.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:48 am to philly444
For some reason noone's mentioned how incredibly well spoken the kid is...
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:18 am to tigerwave168
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Barkevious Mingo ran a 49 second 400 meter in high school.
I thought it was faster. Anything under 50 seconds is still an incredible time.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:42 am to tigerwave168
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good point TigerAlum93, but you also don't understand relativity. He's 6'1. "Fast" is Trindon Holliday who weighs 20 lbs less and is also half a foot shorter. The fact that he's 200 pounds means nothing. Barkevious Mingo ran a 49 second 400 meter in high school. Athletes that have run faster 100s than Quinn in high school that are around 200 pounds and if they aren't, are certainly big proportionately to their height: Jeff Demps, Jacoby Ford, Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Cordarrelle Patterson, D'Anthony Thomas..I can keep going if necessary.
I'm not saying Quinn isn't a great athlete because he is. My point is just that it's not THAT surprising that he can run a 10.6 in the 100. If he goes 10.4 FAT in the 100, that's something thread-worthy
Good points tigerwave168. You are correct, I am not a well educated man and do not know much about relativity, Physics is way over my head. I thank you for going to the effort and great lengths you have to point out to all of us that one of our recruits is NOT the fastest man on the planet. This is why we read this board, to compare kid's like Trey to every white wide receiver ever, and to find out that there is somebody faster out there.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:27 pm to tigerwave168
10.6 Jr year is HS is extremely fast. You would win or place in state on most years.
Trindon Holliday was a 10.51 guy at that same timeframe. He was running 10.43-10.47 his Sr year. Its all relative to how much coaching they have received at the HS level as well.
Yea what a freakin slow crowd to be in.
FWIW most of those guys you list were running 10.4s in HS. Are you saying thier times were official but Quinn's isnt?
Trindon Holliday was a 10.51 guy at that same timeframe. He was running 10.43-10.47 his Sr year. Its all relative to how much coaching they have received at the HS level as well.
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Jeff Demps, Jacoby Ford, Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Cordarrelle Patterson, D'Anthony Thomas..
Yea what a freakin slow crowd to be in.
FWIW most of those guys you list were running 10.4s in HS. Are you saying thier times were official but Quinn's isnt?
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:44 pm to Catman88
Quinn's 10.64 is converted from a 10.4 hand time. Any hand timing at the high school level is suspect. His fastest FAT mark is 10.83, no other marks under 11.00, handtimed or otherwise. Two other guys in Quinn's 10.83 race broke 11.00 that day. Neither ever broke 11.00 again, which makes me believe wind was a contributing factor.
10.83 was 27th in the state last year. Very fast, but not super elite.
A more relevant track event to football (but still pretty pointless because these guys are running in spikes without pads) would be the 60m dash. This year Quinn ranked 22nd in LA with a 7.18. Again, very fast. But markedly slower than guys like Darris Guice and Terrance Alexander.
10.83 was 27th in the state last year. Very fast, but not super elite.
A more relevant track event to football (but still pretty pointless because these guys are running in spikes without pads) would be the 60m dash. This year Quinn ranked 22nd in LA with a 7.18. Again, very fast. But markedly slower than guys like Darris Guice and Terrance Alexander.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:53 pm to tigercross
So are you saying the times posted in HS by those other players you mention were NOT wind aided or hand timed? 
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:00 pm to tigercross
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This year Quinn ranked 22nd in LA with a 7.18
22nd fastest in the state in all classifications at the 60. I'd say he is pretty dam fast.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:03 pm to Catman88
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So are you saying the times posted in HS by those other players you mention were NOT wind aided or hand timed?
The marks for Guice and Alexander? Neither were wind-aided or hand timed.
The marks for the other guys Quinn raced when he ran 10.83? I found it odd that three guys all ran significantly under 11.00 FAT in one of the first meets of the season and never challenged the 11.00 barrier again. One guy ran 10.53 in that race, his second fastest FAT mark is 11.06. Another guy ran 10.84, his second fastest FAT mark is 11.15. Quinn's second fastest FAT mark is 10.94 from regionals last year. When several guys run super-fast early in the season and never match those times again in 12+ months, strange things are afoot.
I'm not saying Quinn is slow (watch his game film, he's not). I'm saying it is not fair to the kid to label him as a 10.6 100m runner when there is very little data that suggests that to be true.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:04 pm to tigercross
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Quinn's 10.64 is converted from a 10.4 hand time. Any hand timing at the high school level is suspect. His fastest FAT mark is 10.83, no other marks under 11.00, handtimed or otherwise. Two other guys in Quinn's 10.83 race broke 11.00 that day. Neither ever broke 11.00 again, which makes me believe wind was a contributing factor.
10.83 was 27th in the state last year. Very fast, but not super elite.
A more relevant track event to football (but still pretty pointless because these guys are running in spikes without pads) would be the 60m dash. This year Quinn ranked 22nd in LA with a 7.18. Again, very fast. But markedly slower than guys like Darris Guice and Terrance Alexander.
tigercross......... if I follow your logic here, those same guys you mentioned have yet to break an 11.3 FAT 100m time. Who is slower? BTW if a time has excessive wind it is noted with the time. Not the case here. I appreciate all your angles but I am wondering if we can possibly nit pick a recruit any more, and what your motivation is for tryinig so hard to discredit one particular recruit's accomplishments? Having said that, you are not the first, nor will you be the last.
We don't need enemies with "fans" like this!
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:21 pm to tigercross
Im talking
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Athletes that have run faster 100s than Quinn in high school that are around 200 pounds and if they aren't, are certainly big proportionately to their height: Jeff Demps, Jacoby Ford, Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Cordarrelle Patterson, D'Anthony Thomas..I can keep going if necessary.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:33 pm to TigerAlum93
This thread went downhill fast
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:44 pm to Emiliooo
Just because he's not fast doesn't mean he won't be a great player.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:03 am to Catman88
Whoa whoa whoa
Let's set some things straight.
1) I never compared Quinn to Demps, Ford, Ginn, Harvin, etc. That was someone else.
2) There are MAYBE 5 meets in Louisiana that take wind readings for high schoolers. Everything else is suspect. Someone claimed that it would be noted if wind readings were above the allowable limit. That is only the case if wind readings are being taken. Which they are not 99% of the time. And wind readings were not taken for any of Quinn's fastest races.
3) I am not trying to denigrate Quinn in the slightest. I am trying to temper expectations in his defense. Because in October and November, some of these same idiots claiming he has run 10.4/10.6 will be saying absurd shite like "Trey Quinn is the fastest guy on the team! Why ain't he returning kicks?? Fire Miles!" or "Why don't we run Quinn on an end around once a game? He's the fastest guy out there!" or "Why don't they just run Quinn on a fly pattern three or four times a game? Obviously Les has control of the offense!" shite like that is not fair to the kid or the coaching staff. The less mis-information we have, the more realistic our expectations will be. Trey Quinn is super fast. But people expecting him to be a Randy Moss or DAT type playmaker are out of their minds. That does not fit his skill set and it does not fit the LSU offense.
This is a stupid argument, anyway. 100m is 109+ yards. I cannot think of any football scenario where an athlete would be running unimpeded for 109 yards. 60m is 65+ yards. Again, that will never happen on a football field. Watch the kid's tape. He is plenty fast, he runs amazing routes, and has great hands. More importantly, he wants to be a Tiger. If the film shows he is good, the coaches think he is good, and he wants to be good, everything else is extraneous. I don't care if he runs 12.00 for 100m if he can produce 1/2 of what Landry and/or Beckham did.
Let's set some things straight.
1) I never compared Quinn to Demps, Ford, Ginn, Harvin, etc. That was someone else.
2) There are MAYBE 5 meets in Louisiana that take wind readings for high schoolers. Everything else is suspect. Someone claimed that it would be noted if wind readings were above the allowable limit. That is only the case if wind readings are being taken. Which they are not 99% of the time. And wind readings were not taken for any of Quinn's fastest races.
3) I am not trying to denigrate Quinn in the slightest. I am trying to temper expectations in his defense. Because in October and November, some of these same idiots claiming he has run 10.4/10.6 will be saying absurd shite like "Trey Quinn is the fastest guy on the team! Why ain't he returning kicks?? Fire Miles!" or "Why don't we run Quinn on an end around once a game? He's the fastest guy out there!" or "Why don't they just run Quinn on a fly pattern three or four times a game? Obviously Les has control of the offense!" shite like that is not fair to the kid or the coaching staff. The less mis-information we have, the more realistic our expectations will be. Trey Quinn is super fast. But people expecting him to be a Randy Moss or DAT type playmaker are out of their minds. That does not fit his skill set and it does not fit the LSU offense.
This is a stupid argument, anyway. 100m is 109+ yards. I cannot think of any football scenario where an athlete would be running unimpeded for 109 yards. 60m is 65+ yards. Again, that will never happen on a football field. Watch the kid's tape. He is plenty fast, he runs amazing routes, and has great hands. More importantly, he wants to be a Tiger. If the film shows he is good, the coaches think he is good, and he wants to be good, everything else is extraneous. I don't care if he runs 12.00 for 100m if he can produce 1/2 of what Landry and/or Beckham did.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:51 am to bwallcubfan
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that's a serious motor
I bet he's like a "coach-on-the-field"
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