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re: Trent Dilfer on the HERD dissing LSU Quarterback development
Posted on 1/17/12 at 2:45 pm to Cadello
Posted on 1/17/12 at 2:45 pm to Cadello
Ok well I thought this should go in a different thread because it was on a different show and a different angle but the thread got zapped so I'll just post it here:
Dilfer was just on SVP and they asked him about Kiel, with whom he is very familiar through Elite 11 and his other work with high school prospects. Dilfer said Gunner and family came off as "entitled". He thought that they wanted a school where the starting job would be handed to Gunner and that the biggest factor was probably LSU's depth at QB and ND's lack thereof. He feels like Kiel is a good prospect but not sure if he's willing to compete or do what it takes to be great.
ETA: To be clear, none of this is my own commentary. I'm closely paraphrasing what Dilfer said.
Dilfer was just on SVP and they asked him about Kiel, with whom he is very familiar through Elite 11 and his other work with high school prospects. Dilfer said Gunner and family came off as "entitled". He thought that they wanted a school where the starting job would be handed to Gunner and that the biggest factor was probably LSU's depth at QB and ND's lack thereof. He feels like Kiel is a good prospect but not sure if he's willing to compete or do what it takes to be great.
ETA: To be clear, none of this is my own commentary. I'm closely paraphrasing what Dilfer said.
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 2:48 pm
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Posted on 1/17/12 at 2:47 pm to Jamohn
Yep. The press is being pretty rough on Kiel.
I'm not happy with some stuff about Miles but this kid may have been a headache.
I'm not happy with some stuff about Miles but this kid may have been a headache.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 2:48 pm to Jamohn
For some reason hearing that stuff makes the loss seem not so bad. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does...
Posted on 1/17/12 at 2:49 pm to Cadello
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Flynn says different.
We only started Flynn for a short time and he has been developed in the NFL, not at LSU.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 2:50 pm to Jamohn
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He thought that they wanted a school where the starting job would be handed to Gunner and that the biggest factor was probably LSU's depth at QB and ND's lack thereof.
ND has younger more "established" QBs on the depth chart. At LSU he could legitimately be the #2 behind Mett by fall practice. ND on the other hand has two juniors who will definitely be in front of him and Golson is supposed to be better than both of them so either Dilfer or Kiel is stupid.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 2:59 pm to thunderbird1100
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The overreaction to the BCS NCG is getting stupid. So based on 1 game we cant develop a QB now?
Been 4 years, not one game.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:00 pm to Choctaw
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thanks Crowton
He was given 4 years at LSU. Ultimately it's the HC
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:01 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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No, your conclusion is stupid.
Based on the last 5 years LSU can't seem to develop a QB.
Passing Offense Ranking:
2007 58th
2008 71st
2009 97th
2010 107th
2011 106th
You have to do better than LSU has over the last 5 years to draw attention from 5 star QBs, especially from out of state.
uh, they "drew attention from a five stary #1 qb"
all you guy's talking about "developing" qbs. You either have one or you don't. Talent makes coaches more than coaches make talent. you can give me the best qb coach in America. I'm betting the house he can't "develop" jordan jefferson into a quality passing qb.
For every coach that so called developed a great qb i can point to several that flopped under that coach.
saban or jimbo couldn't "develop" marcus randal. weis or kelly couldn't "develop" dane christ. Jimbo could not develop xavier lee, weatherford, or e.j. manuel. (all were five or four stars). The three star ponder was the best qb.
everyone loves tom brady, well, he was the backup to drew henson. why did brady develop and not drew? same coach.
Are we really saying romo, favre, warner, bradshaw, Big Ben R, Andy dalton, Ryan F, flaco, ect. all were developed due to better coaching at a much lesser level of college football. You mean div II has better qb coaches, facilities, resources than the b.c.s. boys?
And to the cat who states green bay developed flynn, why the hell they couldn't develop brian brohm? they drafted him in round TWO not FIVE. he came from bobby petrino, a qb guru system. who screwed him up?
ultimately it takes talent and the person/qb to develop into the player they want to be. The coach can only due so much.
it is the same reason a teacher can't make everyone an A student. She or he teaches every student the same material the same way. yet, some make A's and some make F's. why? The student has to apply themselves and have ability.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:02 pm to saintsfan22
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ND on the other hand has two juniors who will definitely be in front of him and Golson is supposed to be better than both of them
the two JRs you speak of (rees and hendrix) are far from quality QBs...watching the bowl game vs FSU could tell you that much.
golson has yet to take a snap, but he does have a promising future but like i said he has yet to even play a down.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:08 pm to rocket31
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the two JRs you speak of (rees and hendrix) are far from quality QBs...watching the bowl game vs FSU could tell you that much.
I know they're pretty crappy but probably not going to get jumped over.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:10 pm to saintsfan22
quote:I think they probably could get jumped over. Plus, we have no clue what Kelly promised him and his family.
I know they're pretty crappy but probably not going to get jumped over.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:10 pm to saintsfan22
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I know they're pretty crappy but probably not going to get jumped over.
I doubt Kelly will have a problem with youth over seniority.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:15 pm to Utah Tiger
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He said that the great HS quarterbacks look to see if they can be developed for the NFL and that LSU is not the place right now given the BCS game.
Hard to argue with him
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:35 pm to dos crystal
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all you guy's talking about "developing" qbs. You either have one or you don't. Talent makes coaches more than coaches make talent. you can give me the best qb coach in America. I'm betting the house he can't "develop" jordan jefferson into a quality passing qb. For every coach that so called developed a great qb i can point to several that flopped under that coach. saban or jimbo couldn't "develop" marcus randal. weis or kelly couldn't "develop" dane christ. Jimbo could not develop xavier lee, weatherford, or e.j. manuel. (all were five or four stars). The three star ponder was the best qb. everyone loves tom brady, well, he was the backup to drew henson. why did brady develop and not drew? same coach. Are we really saying romo, favre, warner, bradshaw, Big Ben R, Andy dalton, Ryan F, flaco, ect. all were developed due to better coaching at a much lesser level of college football. You mean div II has better qb coaches, facilities, resources than the b.c.s. boys? And to the cat who states green bay developed flynn, why the hell they couldn't develop brian brohm? they drafted him in round TWO not FIVE. he came from bobby petrino, a qb guru system. who screwed him up? ultimately it takes talent and the person/qb to develop into the player they want to be. The coach can only due so much. it is the same reason a teacher can't make everyone an A student. She or he teaches every student the same material the same way. yet, some make A's and some make F's. why? The student has to apply themselves and have ability.
Whatever.
Notice I said, "QBs", as in plural, you simply came up with one.
But you can blow all the smoke you want and come up with all kinds of data and proof and be all sciency and shite, but when a potential recruit looks at the passing game at LSU over the last 5 years (or even trys to think of ONE great NFL QB to come out of LSU) it doesn't look good for the Tigers.
But it can all start with just one. Let's hope he's already on the roster.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 3:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Whatever.
Notice I said, "QBs", as in plural, you simply came up with one.
j.lee was an elite 11 qb
zach lee was a top 10 qb
Zach m. Was the #1 juco qb
Randal was a top dual threat qb.
gunner Kiel was the #1 pro style qb.
That's plural, son.
hell, name the last great notre dame qb. Montana? i think bert jones was in that era. if we are going to talk about drafted, then i got jamarcus over brady q. you want back ups, i take flynn over clausen.
simply no advantage one over the other when it comes to n.f.l. qbs.
this is not why gunner went to notre dame. it has everything to do with staying at home.
Kelly definately handled his qb's well. three different ones. Christ even transferred. yeah, lets go there, he handles his qb so much better.
just ignorance my man.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 4:12 pm to dos crystal
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j.lee was an elite 11 qb he was a 4 star.
zach lee was a top 10 qb he was a 4 star
Zach m. Was the #1 juco qb Who only looked at LSU AFTER he was kicked out of another SEC school.
Randal was a top dual threat qb. Not drop back
gunner Kiel was the #1 pro style qb.
That's plural, son.
Not in the final analysis, kid.
Face it, LSU just isn't that attractive of a program right now for top rated QB talent with pro aspirations.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 4:21 pm to bouefbengal
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you are being nice he called it" that debacle of an offense they run at LSU"
Did anyone bring up the fact that the Ravens had to run the same offense as LSU when he was their QB?
Posted on 1/17/12 at 4:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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j.lee was an elite 11 qb he was a 4 star.
zach lee was a top 10 qb he was a 4 star
Zach m. Was the #1 juco qb Who only looked at LSU AFTER he was kicked out of another SEC school.
Randal was a top dual threat qb. Not drop back
gunner Kiel was the #1 pro style qb.
That's plural, son.
Not in the final analysis, kid.
wow, you truly don't know anything about recruiting. you don't know j lee was the #11 qb in the country. you don't know Zach was recruited by bama and texas a & m. you think being a top 10 dual threat isn't good because it's not drop back. And, you don't know that lsu was so attractive a month ago the #1 qb chose them. So this month they aren't attractive.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 4:41 pm to Utah Tiger
Seriously? Trent Garbage Dilfer is commenting on QB play? Dude sucked
Posted on 1/17/12 at 4:47 pm to TigerJeff
quote:Always a solid argument when judging analysts.
Seriously? Trent Garbage Dilfer is commenting on QB play? Dude sucked
Sean Payton has no business coaching offense because he was a shitty pro QB too, right?
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