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re: To those of you criticizing Miles and His Word

Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:21 pm to
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Such as your moral high ground as a USCer regarding recruiting and the like. Such as that.


This thread ain't about USC. I purposefully ignore those comments from everyone or just comment that it is a nice attempt to introduce USC into the thread. As most will testify, I wil gladly join in a USC thread though.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:25 pm to
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frick it guys...DB, if what has been reported is, He got fricked
Reported by whom? Miles?

4444 said it was just like the Janzen Jackson situation. The Janzen Jackson situation includes a person openly making a committment, and then openly breaking it. I have yet to see Les Miles claim that he pulled Benton's offer. So we have one open admission of reneging on a committment, and one case of rumor claiming that a committment was reneged upon. And no one here has real knowlege of what that committment was or upon what it was based. We have no way of knowing if LSU pulled their offer; or if they did pull it, why. All we have is unsubstantiated rumors which some have (predictably) chosen to accept as the gospel truth of a negative indictment of Miles. If 4444 saw a dog turd on the street that looked like Miles making a mistake, he would report is as absolute indisputable fact and then prattle on about how everyone who disagrees with him wearing blinders or P&G glasses.

If you guys cannot see 4444's obvious irrational obsession with finding fault with Miles, then you really need to take a deep breath and reconnect with your senses. He will use (or make up) anything he can to make Miles look bad. He always has and he always will.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:27 pm to
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I have yet to see Les Miles claim that he pulled Benton's offer.

there are multiple threads about this. michael cauble reported this also. want me to link you?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:27 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:27 pm to
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This thread ain't about USC. I purposefully ignore those comments from everyone or just comment that it is a nice attempt to introduce USC into the thread. As most will testify, I wil gladly join in a USC thread though.


It's not about USC, but about calling Miles classless and acting as if Pete is beyond reproach, which he isn't.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:29 pm to
Joey, what are you confused about?

I'm pretty sure SPorts2 posted yesterday that Miles said he pulled Benton's offer/he had to make some "hard, fast decision".

quote:

Miles was asked at a press conference late Wednesday if Benton still had a scholarship offer by Wednesday morning before Benton signed with Auburn. Before Miles could answer, LSU athletic director Joe Alleva — located in the back of the room - frantically waved his arms to attempt to get Miles not to answer.

But Miles answered, "No."


LINK
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 2:37 pm
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:29 pm to
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the grades were always an issue. and if they were such a big enough issue for LSU they should have stopped recruting the kids yeards, months or days ago
Yes, because having faith in a person's ability to overcome mistakes in the beginning of a process must absolutely mean that you still have faith when they have not been overcome two years later.

Do you know the status of Benton's academics? Or his status with the clearinghouse? Do you know the progress he has or has not made towards gaining eligibility? Do you know what assurances Auburn gave him? Do you know what ultimatums or deadlines Miles gave him as conditions on LSU's remaining committed?

Of course not. But that doesn't matter to you because you've decided to bash Les and those who support him so you cannot afford to consider anything which might make him less than a bastard in this situation.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:31 pm to
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Do you know the status of Benton's academics? Or his status with the clearinghouse? Do you know the progress he has or has not made towards gaining eligibility? Do you know what assurances Auburn gave him? Do you know what ultimatums or deadlines Miles gave him as conditions on LSU's remaining committed?

if there were any conditions i'm wondering why we were still recruiting him hard and having him visit so late in the process (weeks after he went to AU)

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:34 pm to
i think bashing miles for revoking DBs scholarship is overblown. it was the smart thing to do for multiple reasons

however if this is true (and the only other logical theory is that miles, bradshaw, randle, and randle's dad engaged in a faux public relations nightmare in order to protect benton in committing to Auburn), it is just an example that les is mortal

les has to do shady/assholish stuff sometimes. all prime time coaches do. you can't maintain unless you do
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:35 pm to
Slow, did you "I told you so!" the recruiting board.

I know they sure blasted me for posting what I would hear.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:37 pm to
about JJ? naw i said i hoped people who bet me that they'd leave the board wouldn't, b/c even i bought into his lies at the end (when he was putting out feelers that he was all LSU...even had his dad lie about it)
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:37 pm to
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It's not about USC, but about calling Miles classless and acting as if Pete is beyond reproach, which he isn't.


I did not insinuate that. Way back I said it could have and should have been handled much better by PC.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
61833 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:40 pm to
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I did not insinuate that. Way back I said it could have and should have been handled much better by PC.


I know that I don't have all the facts before me here, but I'm still sticking with the fact that I believe your actions to be classless.


Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:41 pm to
Yea same here, I thought he was going to LSU the last month or so.

But they sure gave us some shite.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:42 pm to
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if benton wanted to be at auburn, or LSU didn't want benton why did they both tell each other on Tuesday they wanted to be together?

the only thing that possible could have changed is RR....not bentons grades, not his visit to auburn...none of that makes a difference


"the only thing"?!?!

Like Chizik and his recruiters couldn't possibly have been on the phone with him later Tuesday night, or Wednesday morning, telling all sorts of things like how Auburn wasn't going to bother him about his grades the way LSU was, or how he would never get on the field with Randle at LSU, or how the decommitment of Brandon Heavens would make Benton even more "the man" at Auburn, or any of dozens of other things they might have used to put pressure on him? But you just "know", magically, that nothing like that could possibly have happened, or been a factor. Yeah, gotta love that "reality" check . . . guess yours bounced.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:43 pm to
joey

why did benton not have a scholarship offer on national signing day?
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:50 pm to
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RR knew that LSU also had a commitment from DB for the last two years, so why not tell the coaches before?
Because in 4444's world, things that have been the exact same issue for two years can suddenly become an issue overnight for someone when it suits his "Miles is a bastard" argument, but when it mitigates or doesn't suit the argument, it is absolutely impossible for any situation related to issues that existed two years ago could possibly change.

So, yes, Randle and his family -- after watching Benton sign with LSU FROM HIS OWN HIGHSCHOOL (yeah, I think they were aware of it) -- can, mysteriously and without any explaination, substantiation or confirmation, suddenly decide to give an ultimatum to the coach of one of the most successful college football programs in the country, where Reuben himself apparently wanted to go, to dismiss a player that had been an LSU commit for two years without Randle or his family ever raising the issue.

However, it must be impossible for a grades issue that was supposed to be resolved two years ago, and then was supposed to be resolved a year ago, and then was supposed to be resolved by signing day this year, and wasn't, could possibly become an issue on signing day to anyone involved in the process.

That is the world 4444 lives in.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:55 pm to
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i mean, if miles says michigan offered him $10 mill year and michigan never refutes the claim, i think it is safe to think it was an accurate claim
Wow, that's is really dumb.

I say Jessica Alba had sex with me last night; are you going to believe that until she knocks on your door and says, "I did not have sex with that man, King Joey"?

It is very, VERY foolish to assume something is true simply because it has not been denied by someone else. People make bullshite claims all the time that, for one reason or another, other people involved in the claim do not refute or deny. Seriously, if you come to understand that, it could help you tremendously in all walks of life.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:55 pm to
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can, mysteriously and without any explaination, substantiation or confirmation, suddenly decide to give an ultimatum to the coach of one of the most successful college football programs in the country, where Reuben himself apparently wanted to go, to dismiss a player that had been an LSU commit for two years without Randle or his family ever raising the issue

but they did just this

question their logic all you want, but this is what they said, publicly, the night before NSD. it's fact

quote:

However, it must be impossible for a grades issue that was supposed to be resolved two years ago, and then was supposed to be resolved a year ago, and then was supposed to be resolved by signing day this year, and wasn't, could possibly become an issue on signing day to anyone involved in the process.

why did we have him on campus a week or so ago, trying to recruit him, if grades were such a worry?
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:56 pm to
King Joey


I'd advise you to go do some major reading of numerous articles/blogs over the past 2 days and then come back.
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