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re: To those of you criticizing Miles and His Word
Posted on 2/5/09 at 12:59 pm to Sammich
Posted on 2/5/09 at 12:59 pm to Sammich
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all you are posting about is one version or Scenario
so, you only post things that are said by one person and agreed upon and admitted by everyone else involved?
do you think i am premature for considering non rebuttal as admittance?
i mean, if miles says michigan offered him $10 mill year and michigan never refutes the claim, i think it is safe to think it was an accurate claim (at least until more info proves it to be wrong)
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 1:00 pm
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:04 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Exhibit B: Janzen Jackson, a solid verbal commit to LSU, only to make us wait another day to find out he's really a Vol instead, and screwing his word.
Exhibit C. Deangelo Benton, has a solid commit of a schollie from LSU and is leaning toward LSU, only to find out the night before NSD that his schollie is not longer available and for transparent reasons.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:07 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I'm sorry. D'Lo had two years to get in. TWO YEARS. you know, 24 Months. He went through a high school education, couldn't get in, prep for 24 months, and couldn't get in.
I'M PRETTY SURE THIS PUTS HIM IN THE..."Do what u want with me, I'm powerless" position.
I mean, C'mon!!! Damn, the Hooked on Phonics DVD didn't work for crying out loud!
I'M PRETTY SURE THIS PUTS HIM IN THE..."Do what u want with me, I'm powerless" position.
I mean, C'mon!!! Damn, the Hooked on Phonics DVD didn't work for crying out loud!
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:09 pm to LSUfan4444
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if miles says michigan offered him $10 mill year and michigan never refutes the claim, i think it is safe to think it was an accurate claim
Of couse, because Les doesn't lie. He makes hard, fast decisions.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:11 pm to TigerBlitz03
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D'Lo had two years to get in. TWO YEARS. you know, 24 Months. He went through a high school education, couldn't get in, prep for 24 months, and couldn't get in.
This doesn't mean shite. The fact is that his offer was pulled the night before NSD...after he reaffirmed his commitment. What happened before that is completely inconsequential.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:14 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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What happened before that is completely inconsequential.
WRONG! It most certainly was consequential and IS consequential! Les stuck by him for 2 years to get qualified with NO guarantees the kid will continue to be qualified after he got here. This kid's academic track record is what it is. The likelihood of him maintaining qualifying grades are VERY slim at this point and going forward.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:15 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I see you are quite selective in what things you want to respond to in my posts and which ones you like to turn a blind eye to, and pretend you didn't see Tangerine. I understand though. I really do. 
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:17 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Exhibit C. Deangelo Benton, has a solid commit of a schollie from LSU and is leaning toward LSU, only to find out the night before NSD that his schollie is not longer available and for academically questionable reasons.
Fixed it for you.
So you think Benton was surprised his academic struggles helped him lose out in this situation?
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:20 pm to TigerWoody
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So you think Benton was surprised his academic struggles helped him lose out in this situation?
I think he was surpised the schollie was yanked that even though LSU knew about his academic troubles and worked with him and reiterated the schollie only a day beforehand. It's is not like LSU received his transcrip on Tuesday afternoon. He knows that, LSU knows that.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:22 pm to Mike da Tigah
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which ones you like to turn a blind eye to
such as?
Of course I am selective. I cannot respond to every post.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:24 pm to TigerWoody
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The likelihood of him maintaining qualifying grades are VERY slim at this point and going forward
Then offering him a scholly to begin with was a mistake. But it still doesn't justify pulling his offer the night before NSD when he had just reaffirmed his commitment.
He never waivered in his commitment, never changed to AU then back.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:26 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Exhibit A: Kenny Bell, a solid verbal commit to LSU, only to don an Alabama hat and shirt on signing day and screw his word.
Exhibit B: Janzen Jackson, a solid verbal commit to LSU, only to make us wait another day to find out he's really a Vol instead, and screwing his word.
DeAngelo Benton is a kid who was given two years to get his academics together while LSU held a scholly open for him, with absolutely no guarantee, to the contrary as a matter of fact with much speculation, that he will be able to keep his grades up and compete his freshman requirements in order to play a down of football for LSU.
So what are we to learn from people's word, and why would LSU sacrifice life and limb on a guy who hasn't been able to demonstrate consistency in academics to be able to play football for LSU, especially since we could easily end up with ZERO WR talent from this years crop if we did go with Benton over Randal?
Les Miles is a grown man. You are comparing him to a bunch of 17 year old kids (19 in Benton's case). Miles has had a lot more time to mature and learn from his mistakes.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:26 pm to TigerWoody
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So you think Benton was surprised his academic struggles helped him lose out in this situation?
His academic struggles weren't a problem two years ago, one year ago, last week when he visited or tuesday when he verbally comitted.
His academic struggles only became an issue when his scholly was yanked. Quite convenient.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:29 pm to Towelie
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His academic struggles only became an issue when his scholly was yanked. Quite convenient.
The double standard by some is absolutely amazing. If you refuse to be objective, then just admit it. At least ridiculous homerism is acceptable. There is no way some of you can be so blind to believe what you are saying.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:46 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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such as?
Of course I am selective. I cannot respond to every post.
Such as your moral high ground as a USCer regarding recruiting and the like. Such as that.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:48 pm to ready4something
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The difference is miles is an adult and LSU is a highly distinguished academic institution.
+1
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:57 pm to TideSaint
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Les Miles is a grown man. You are comparing him to a bunch of 17 year old kids (19 in Benton's case). Miles has had a lot more time to mature and learn from his mistakes.
Hey, I don't have a problem with the 17 and 19 year olds changing their minds at the last minute on where they choose to use their very valuable talents, as I don't have any problem with Les Miles choosing who he extends LSU's very valuable athletic scholarships. But if you're going to stand on the principle of the thing, then it seems to me you need to be consistent in it. There are endless threads on here both condemning Miles for his changing his mind, as there are endless threads condemning recruits changing their minds at the last minute. NO Problem in my book. A recruit isn't bound until he signs and faxes, and LSU isn't obligated to give ANY recruit ANY Scholarship if they choose not to. If it works out good, if not then have a nice day. It would be lovely if everyone stood by their committments, but that's not the way the world works these days. It once did, but not anymore. I'm certainly not going to hold a head coach to anything we don't hold our young people to, no matter what the age is. Pinciple is principle, and if one is held accountable then all should be held to the same level of criticism or the point is pretty much lost on me.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:15 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:No, Benton did have his way. And his way had him NOT at LSU for the last two years.
If benton had his way, he would have been at LSU 2 years ago.
quote:Benton's signing day was in 2007. If we had held Janzen off while he was ready to play until 2011, and then he had changed his mind the night before that signing day, then the events might be comparable. IF the events you assume took place actually occurred.
The action of changing ones mind just before, on or after NSD when it comes to recruiting can and always be compared.
quote:The only thing enabling one to see what they want to see is distorting two different events in order to view them as comparable. That is, in fact, the very definition of seeing what one wants to see rather than seeing reality for what it is.
Not comparing it only narrows your vision and only allows you to see what you want to see.
The reality is that LSU made a committment to Benton two years ago which they honored and to which he failed to live up to for two years, while Jackson made a committment to LSU several months ago and failed on Thursday to live up to it.
Unless you are insisting that LSU was going to refuse Benton's LOI on signing day 2007?
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:19 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:The documented conversation to which you referred earlier? Where LSU confirmed it was still committed to Benton? This proves to you that LSU pulled its offer? Wow, your ability to blind yourself to reality and reason boggles the mind.
BUT, all that goes out of the window when the documented conversation between he and LSU happens on Tuesday
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:19 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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The double standard by some is absolutely amazing. If you refuse to be objective, then just admit it. At least ridiculous homerism is acceptable. There is no way some of you can be so blind to believe what you are saying.
I know. It is almost unbelievable. To the point of almost being comical.
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