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re: To those of you criticizing Miles and His Word
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:42 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:42 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:That I still haven't seen. The only comments I've seen from Miles were to the effect that on Wednesday morning when he signed with Auburn, he did not have an offer. Everything I've seen (including the passages 4444 kept citing) suggests than on Tuesday night the offer was still there.
The bad part is that the offer was pulled the night before NSD.
quote:Grades and waivering are never "unacceptable" reasons, imo. They may be mistakes if the grades issue isn't really a big problem or if the waivering isn't serious. But they are both acceptable reasons for pulling a scholarship. And, again, we have no idea what may have been expected of DB between Tuesday night and Wednesday (maybe a Clearinghouse letter that DB assured them would be in by signing day, maybe a reassurance that Auburn was out of the picture, etc., etc.). All we know is that a guy who has had grade issues for two years had his offer pulled, and that Miles specifically said it had nothing to do with anyone else's recruiting.
1) grades
2) visit to AU (DB waivering)
3) RR's family pressuring Miles
Any of those reasons is pretty unacceptable IMO.
That is simply a different situation than the Jackson one. And to say one can't be critical of one without being critical of the other is just unreasonable.
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:47 pm to Rocket
quote:I just don't see that. Randle knew long before he committed to LSU that Benton was committed here. Whatever his dad said Tuesday, it just doesn't make sense that he would suddenly get scared of the competition that night. If anything, I would think that Kelly (who apparently wasn't necessarily coming here back when Randle first committed) would be a factor.
The whole thing is weird considering Bradshaw insists Benton wanted to go to LSU and Randle was concerned with Benton signing
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:48 pm to Rocket
i think if bradshaw was so concerned about both of them signing to LSU he should have talked to both of them and got the mess straighten out he is the coach right.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:49 pm to King Joey
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All we know is that a guy who has had grade issues for two years had his offer pulled, and that Miles specifically said it had nothing to do with anyone else's recruiting.
ANd we also know that LSU was well aware of his grade issues for two years and decided to pull lthe offer the night befor NSD and not long after RR or his dad made it known that he would not come to LSU if DB was coming. ANd for anyone to believe that what Miles said about the pull not being related to anyone else's recruiting is wearing is drinking P and G that is way too strong.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:52 pm to King Joey
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That I still haven't seen. The only comments I've seen from Miles were to the effect that on Wednesday morning when he signed with Auburn, he did not have an offer
I'm gonna take my chances and assume Les pulled Benton's scholarship Tuesday evening without reading a direct quote from Les. If I get burned, so be it.
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All we know is that a guy who has had grade issues for two years had his offer pulled, and that Miles specifically said it had nothing to do with anyone else's recruiting.
I don't know what you believe but if you want to believe it's just a coincidence that Benton no longer had a scholly offer to LSU after Randle's fathers comments, so be it.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:56 pm to King Joey
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I just don't see that
It's pretty simple to me.
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Whatever his dad said Tuesday, it just doesn't make sense that he would suddenly get scared of the competition that night
Benton took a visit this weekend to LSU.
It's possible that the coaches told Benton one thing about who he was going to compete against which is what would be different from what they were telling Randle and Benton informed the Randle's when he got back of that info, which is what Randle's father was saying happened.
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 2/5/09 at 4:05 pm to Rocket
quote:So you think that LSU told Randle that Benton -- a 5* wide receiver prospect -- would be at LSU, but would not be competing for playing time at WR? And you think Randle believed that until Tuesday, when he (or his dad) heard that LSU had told Benton that he would be competing for playing time at WR?
It's possible that the coaches told Benton one thing about who he was going to compete against which is what would be different from what they were telling Randle, which is what Randle's father was saying
I'll admit that something unusual happened here, but it seems mighty implausible to me that LSU would have tried to sell a line like that to Randle, and even more implausible that he would have bought it.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 4:10 pm to King Joey
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So you think that LSU told Randle that Benton -- a 5* wide receiver prospect -- would be at LSU, but would not be competing for playing time at WR?
I'm gonna tell you what Randle's father said, not what I think. Randle's father said that the LSU coaches told Randle and his father on their visit that Randle would be competing with TT for the X or Z spot and that the coaches, according to Randle's father, told Benton he would be competing with Randle for the Y spot. When exactly the coaches told Benton what Randle's pops was alluding to, I'm not sure or even if they told him that at all.
But, it's interesting that Benton DID take a visit this weekend to LSU and we don't know what he was or wasn't told then.
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I'll admit that something unusual happened here, but it seems mighty implausible to me that LSU would have tried to sell a line like that to Randle, and even more implausible that he would have bought it.
You're relatively uninformed about how this situation played out compared to us so you might just want to sit back and see what unfolds because it's clear you don't know any more than anyone else.
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 2/5/09 at 4:21 pm to Rocket
quote:That's true, and I never claimed to. But I don't think anyone here actually knows what Benton, Randle, or Randle's dad were actually told by LSU, or why Miles actually pulled Benton's offer. I'm just saying that in lieu of actual facts, assumption and speculation made to fit a predetermined opinion does not qualify as rational or reasonable.
it's clear you don't know any more than anyone else.
And in no event does the situation compare enough to Jackson's to justify linking the two for purposes of justifying criticism (which was what I started off addressing in this thread).
quote:Apparently so. But is there anything more to unfold?
You're relatively uninformed about how this situation played out compared to us so you might just want to sit back and see what unfolds
Posted on 2/5/09 at 4:27 pm to Rocket
quote:Not related to the earlier issues, but not having heard them I am curious about these comments.
Randle's father said that the LSU coaches told Randle and his father on their visit that Randle would be competing with TT for the X or Z spot and that the coaches, according to Randle's father, told Benton he would be competing with Randle for the Y spot.
Did he clarify how they told him LaFell would fit in? Or was this regarding post-2009, when LaFell would be gone?
Also, isn't the Y spot more of the slot receiver position?
Posted on 2/5/09 at 4:31 pm to King Joey
No, we don't know of all of the actual conversations that were had between LSU and the Bentons and Randles but we're trying to present what facts are availabe.
Well, I'm gonna go ahead and assume, for the time being, that Les pulled Benton's offer, for whatever reason, Tuesday evening because of the sequence of events that we have knowledge of, not to fit a predetermined opinion, so I guess that's rational and reasonable.
Dmitch, who is related to Randle, said he is waiting to hear Benton speak and there is more to it than what Randle's dad or Bradshaw led on.
Maybe Les Miles did up and just decide Wednesday morning or Tuesday evening that Benton was too much of a gamble and it had nothing to do with Randle, although someone from LSU allegedly contacted the radio station the conversation I'm talking about and Randle himself said he let McCartney know where he stood last night and then Miles allegedly talked to his dad and then made the decision to come to LSU after learning Benton would be going to Auburn and it's all one big coincidence.
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I'm just saying that in lieu of actual facts, assumption and speculation made to fit a predetermined opinion does not qualify as rational or reasonable.
Well, I'm gonna go ahead and assume, for the time being, that Les pulled Benton's offer, for whatever reason, Tuesday evening because of the sequence of events that we have knowledge of, not to fit a predetermined opinion, so I guess that's rational and reasonable.
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But is there anything more to unfold?
Dmitch, who is related to Randle, said he is waiting to hear Benton speak and there is more to it than what Randle's dad or Bradshaw led on.
Maybe Les Miles did up and just decide Wednesday morning or Tuesday evening that Benton was too much of a gamble and it had nothing to do with Randle, although someone from LSU allegedly contacted the radio station the conversation I'm talking about and Randle himself said he let McCartney know where he stood last night and then Miles allegedly talked to his dad and then made the decision to come to LSU after learning Benton would be going to Auburn and it's all one big coincidence.
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 2/5/09 at 5:51 pm to King Joey
I can't remember what he said about Lafell but I don't really remember him being the focus of any conversation yesterday
Sometimes it's the TE, sometimes it's the slot. It varies from set to set and offense to offense.
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Also, isn't the Y spot more of the slot receiver position?
Sometimes it's the TE, sometimes it's the slot. It varies from set to set and offense to offense.
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 9:59 pm to Rocket
Why is Randle so afraid of competition?
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