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re: To those of you criticizing Miles and His Word

Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:38 am to
Posted by just me
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:38 am to
That's a long fricking post.
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LSU better look out for LSU, because that's the only one looking out for LSU and LSU's best interests. That's the truth.
If what you're saying is that LSU doesn't need to be ethical, moral, or honest in its recruiting, then you're wrong.

Student athletes are gonna do what they are gonna do. However, that doesn't justify unethical behavior by LSU.
Posted by LSUfan4444
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:43 am to
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Really? We know this because why?


the same reason we know everything else in recruiting. it is told to us by people close to the situation

do we know for a fact that it is without a doubt 100% accurate? NO! but we never do. it is up to you to believe what you feel is the most "logical"

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We only heard about the call after Benton switched and we have only heard it from Benton.


what?

you are flat out WRONG!!!

It was written by Guilbeau that benton told the Gannet news on Tuesday that "he has committed to LSU coach Les Miles and will sign scholarship papers to go to LSU on Wednesday"

this articale was out BEFORE benton signed with auburn....not after

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What we do know for a fact is that Benton went to Auburn recently and put in place a backup plan.


how do you come to that ssumption? we know he went to auburn, but thats it

it makes sense that he was scared for PT if RR chose LSU and wanted to leave a back door open in case something happened

but hell, he could have went to auburn b/c a buddy from junior high went there and promised to get him laid...BUT, all that goes out of the window when the documented conversation between he and LSU happens on Tuesday

Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:45 am to
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If what you're saying is that LSU doesn't need to be ethical, moral, or honest in its recruiting, then you're wrong.

Student athletes are gonna do what they are gonna do. However, that doesn't justify unethical behavior by LSU.



No, I'm not saying that LSU shouldn't be ethical. LSU and Miles have gone way above board in the dealings with recruits like Benton and players like RP in the past. What I'm saying is that LSU should not allow recruits to hold the entire bag of marbles, but instead do what is best for LSU regardless, and that's not letting a guy you have given two years and an open scholly in hopes he will be able to pass the requirements, which is still up in the air, to dictate your future for you. This in light of him recently shopping his talents around, even after all those years we were committed to him.
Posted by TIEF
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:45 am to
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submit to you the following into evidence.


Exhibit A: Kenny Bell, a solid verbal commit to LSU, only to don an Alabama hat and shirt on signing day and screw his word.

Exhibit B: Janzen Jackson, a solid verbal commit to LSU, only to make us wait another day to find out he's really a Vol instead, and screwing his word.


"Two wrongs do not make a right"

Some of you all have your P&G glasses on so thick you do not see how hypocritical you are...

What Miles did was cut throat and wrong....Put yourself in DB's shoes....You are a LA kid think you are going to be Tiger and it is taken away from you a day before you are suppose to sign....

Karma is a bitch for Miles right now...I am an LSU alum and a fan but what he did was wrong...If another coach or team had done the same you all would say the same thing as me...

But some of you all think that CLM and LSU can do no wrong...bullshite....

Put yourself in DB's shoes...Do not give this bullshite excuse about his grades...CLM stuck with him for 2 years until the DAY before signing day..knowing the problems of his grades...B/C one of DB's HS teammate was as you said about KB "Scared of competition"...and had to star from the beginning....That is when he cut him...Not b/c of his GRADES...bullshite excuse..

frick it guys...DB, if what has been reported is, He got fricked....

Also think about this and the ammunition this gives rival coaches in the future....Its simple they will say "CLM will frick you in the end like he fricked DB in 2009"...Simple....HS coaches also will warn their kids of this...

Take off those glasses guys...

This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 10:50 am
Posted by DvlsAdvocat
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:52 am to
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TIEF


Good lord you're rational.
Posted by mta504
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:55 am to
LSu held the Denton scholly for two years hoping the moron could learn to read, spell & add 2+2; apparently Denton either didn't care about getting the grades or he's just plain stupid. LSU bent over backwards helping this kid. Name another school that would hold a scholly for two years.
Denton repeatedly said he wad committed to LSU; he's the jackass in this not Miles.
And LSU did not pull the scholly on signing day; it was pulled 1-2 days prior.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:56 am to
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LSu held the Denton scholly


i got that far

Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:56 am to
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Put yourself in DB's shoes....You are a LA kid think you are going to be Tiger and it is taken away from you a day before you are suppose to sign....



OK, let's play the empathy game. I'm DB, and I have had two years to get my academics in order with a standing invitation to attend LSU at LSU's expense the entire time. I THINK my academics are in order, but still not totally sure, and so I repay LSU's longsuffering with me and my troubles by taking a trip to Auburn to see what they can offer me instead, even though LSU has been there for me the whole time. NOW, I'm shocked when LSU pulls of me to go for a sure thing. Heck, I really can't prove that I was still going to sign my letter and fax it over to LSU on Wednesday anyway, but how dare LSU not give me that opportunity to choose.
Posted by LSU2NO
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 10:58 am to
To LSUfan4444- What would you have done in that instance when you hear that your #1 recruit is having second thoughts about coming to play for you? Coach Miles made a hard decision, because UP UNTIL THEN, LSU was counting on signing both of them and now he was faced with a choice of only one.

Randle ------ Benton
4 years ------ 2 years
no grade issues ------ grade issues

Now, to anyone who thinks that Coach Miles has done Benton a disservice, remember that when Benton went to Auburn two weeks before NSD, he opened himself up for wavering(in the eyes of LSU). So that does not make him a 100% commited recruit, just a recruit that has a wandering eye. And to boot, Benton hasn't even cleared the NCAA Clearinghouse yet so Auburn may not get him.
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 11:15 am
Posted by mta504
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:00 am to
Where is your proof that LSU talked to Denton Tuesday night or are you just posting to bash Miles????
Did you tape the conversation? Wiretap the line?
Really, where's your proof a talk ever took place?
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:02 am to
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What would you have done in that instance when you hear that your #1 recruit is having second thoughts about coming to play for you?


i've said it before, and i'll say it again

i would have done the same thing

RR, benton and LSU all played a hand in this and all could have done things to prevent this from happening this way

the result for LSU > the process

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no grade issues ------ grade issues


this, is a non factor to me

the grades were always an issue. and if they were such a big enough issue for LSU they should have stopped recruting the kids yeards, months or days ago

using grades as an excuse is BS. if it was that big of a concern (enough concern to pull an offer from on NSD) then you wasted your time recruiting the kid and you should have put your efforts into someome else

LSU/Miles didn't wake up wednesday morning and realize, "holy shite, you mean this benton kid has grade issues" and Benton is quoted as saying as late as Tuesday night he reaffirmed to LSU and LSU to him....grades, not a factor

This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 11:05 am
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57068 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:04 am to
first off, it is benton....not denton. deangleo benton, or DB for rant talk

secondly, here is my "evidence"

DeAngelo Benton told Gannett Louisiana Tuesday afternoon that he has committed to LSU coach Les Miles and will sign scholarship papers to go to LSU on Wednesday

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Did you tape the conversation? Wiretap the line?
Really, where's your proof a talk ever took place?


are you really this stupid or do you just play so on tv?
Posted by mta504
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:05 am to
A typo error BENTON would not recognize due to his stupidity.
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:06 am to
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IMO, the only people who can criticize JJ are the ones who have criticized LSU for the pulling of benton


2 totaly different situations.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57068 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:07 am to
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A typo error





5 times?

come on, don't insult me

you mixed up his name, at least admit that

hell, i called colt david, "colt dah-veed" for years and i still call nick stavinoha, nick stav-in-ow-a every now and then
Posted by ElEsYouTigahs
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2008
451 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:07 am to
i mean really, what kind of retard can't get academically eligible for 2 years. have any of you seen the required material? can you spell? can you count?

i guess i could understand not being eligible at first with all that can come with being a star athlete, but still not being eligible after a full year? have you heard some of these ncaa football "student-athletes" talk? its a wonder the eligible ones even graduated. for this guy to be a two years behind them speaks volumes.

there is absolutely no excuse for not becoming eligible at the first year.

lsu is going to keep recruiting him, bc they need football players. but when it comes down to the top WR in the country, one is is supposed to be of outstanding character, and a guy who couldnt even become eligible for sure after 2 years, pull the plug. look out for numero uno.

he would have done the same

beside, dudes a retard, COULDNT HAVE READ HIS OWN PLAYBOOK if he couldn't become eligible over 2 years
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 11:22 am
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57068 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:07 am to
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2 totaly different situations.


well of course, but the principal is the same

you committ to someone, reaffirm your committment, then change your mind at the last minute b/c you feel it is best

Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:12 am to
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and Benton is quoted as saying as late as Tuesday night he reaffirmed to LSU and LSU to him....grades, not a factor


quote:

"All the work has been completed this time," Bradshaw said last week. "We're just waiting on the NCAA Clearinghouse."



Sounds to me like it's still a factor.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57068 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:14 am to
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Sounds to me like it's still a factor.


well, it surely wasn't to LSU when they affirmed their committment to his tuesday

this is the only part of the situation that still remains fishy

if benton wanted to be at auburn, or LSU didn't want benton why did they both tell each other on Tuesday they wanted to be together?

the only thing that possible could have changed is RR....not bentons grades, not his visit to auburn...none of that makes a difference
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13091 posts
Posted on 2/5/09 at 11:18 am to
LSU, as an institution will be held to a higher standard than 18 yr olds, and their parents who do not engage in recruiting as a "business". We cannot conduct our recruitng based upon the lowest common denominator.
No matter what JJ or Bell did to us, we cannot renege on our commitments. I think the Benton deal reflected poorly on us, although Mr. Randle may have put us in a terrible situation.
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