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re: The inability to retain recruits in this era
Posted on 1/4/25 at 10:19 pm to NashvilleTiger110
Posted on 1/4/25 at 10:19 pm to NashvilleTiger110
The 2022 class and 2023 class were a struggle following the 6-6 years. Program was a mess and we didn’t have NIL ready. We needed bodies and pieced together transfers and recruits. 2024 and 2025 look to be foundational recruiting classes, especially in the o line and d line. 2025 transfers look to fill gaps and bridge development of 2024 and 2025. 2026 recruiting will be huge if we can string together three solid recruiting classes.
Ideally, you want a team with Juniors and Seniors starting sprinkled in with one or two younger 5 star skill players. Older, stronger, experienced, and committed. Sounds like Texas, OSU, Penn State, and ND. Not a bunch of mercenaries.
Ideally, you want a team with Juniors and Seniors starting sprinkled in with one or two younger 5 star skill players. Older, stronger, experienced, and committed. Sounds like Texas, OSU, Penn State, and ND. Not a bunch of mercenaries.
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 10:29 pm to mdomingue
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The average number of players tranfering out for the last two years combined in the SEC has been 43.1(21.55 per season), in the B1G it is 36.6 (18.3 per season) Roughly 3 players per year difference.
If those 6-7 players were starters, thats a lot.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 10:40 pm to Honestabe1809
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The sad thing is this is an easy fix. Make a signature at a school good for two years. If you commit out of high school, you’re there till after your sophomore year—— if you decide to stay then you’re there for the rest of your time it gives players some flexibility and allows coaches and universities to build a roster. If you graduate early, you can transfer.
My way is close, but still allows for some flexibility -
First, I would give kids 5 years to play 5. No redshirt math, no tracking that - 5 years to play 5.
Second, I would give kids ONE transfer, no questions asked. Same kind of rules as now - a Fall and Spring transfer portal. But just once.
Third, even if you've used your one transfer, if you have eligibility left and have graduated, you can transfer again.
That still allows for potentially 2 transfers, but not 5 like some are getting.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 10:49 pm to NashvilleTiger110
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That kind of turnover isn’t happening to programs like OSU, Georgia and Texas. What do all of those programs have in common? They’re paying big bucks to retain their classes. We’re gonna have to do the same if we want to prevent recruits from transferring.
You are 100% wrong. OSU lost Ewers a few years ago. They lost a WR who ended up being the best one Bama had the following season. They’ve lost several backup defenders. Look at UGA’s lack of dynamic playmakers and depth this year. Why do you think that’s the case?
While this post is just throwing out raw numbers, let’s get to the heart of the issue. How many ROTATION players have we lost over the last three seasons? Not guys leaving early for the NFL like Campbell and Jones. Not guys at the bottom of the depth chart. Impact players who were playing real minutes.
23- Tolan was playing as a freshman at LB. Howard left for OM, but he was 3rd string and wasn’t a rotation player. Harris and Chestnut played, but don’t count for much since they quit or were suspended early in the season.
24- Heard did get playing time, so he counts. The only other was Markway, who bailed during camp.
25- Daniels and Suggs were losses. Pimpton maybe, but he was never more than a fringe rotation guy. Ryan was a rotation guy, but not worth paying to stay. We may lose a WR or OL depending on future moves in the portal.
So while he have lost numbers, we have continually replenished them and we aren’t losing key contributors. Look around at the programs who are losing starters or key backups to US via the portal- UF, UK, OU, State and VA Tech are all P4 teams included there.
This post was edited on 1/4/25 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 4:58 am to SupermanSlim
When they changed the rule on transfers I knew that was it. They had been getting closer and closer to free agency by allowing more exceptions like Justin Fields leaving UGA to go to Ohio State. Finally they just said to hell with it, yolo free for all transfers. No more restrictions. Want to transfer to a division rival for a boatload of cash? Go right ahead! Want to bounce around and play for 5 teams? It's your journey, do what you feel.
I know the courts basically stripped the NCAA of their power but damn. CFB is a freakshow now.
I know the courts basically stripped the NCAA of their power but damn. CFB is a freakshow now.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:54 am to GhostofJackson
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If those 6-7 players were starters, thats a lot.
That rarely happens except on lower-level teams, when teams have losing seasons, or when coaches leave.
I think losing quality depth is more of an issue. In that case, the importance of those 6-7 players over two years will depend on injuries and, to a lesser degree, who unexpectedly leaves for the draft.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:57 am to SupermanSlim
Probably one of the better post I’ve read in this board. Numbers tell the tale and why this team finished 8-4 this year. 11 out of 41 - brutal. This turnover prevents both a sustained (positive team) culture and championships.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:59 am to SupermanSlim
It's a part of the program that has to be managed and we don't seem to do that well if at all. Maybe we don't think it is part of the program.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:05 am to NashvilleTiger110
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That kind of turnover isn’t happening to programs like OSU, Georgia and Texas.
Two of those schools are still in the playoffs, they may still have some defections after they are done.
As it, looking at raw numbers we the following transfers out(teams in playoffs in bold):
LSU - 39 total, 21 in 2024, 18 in 2025
OSU - 36 total, 26 in 2024, 10 in 2025
Texas - 34 total, 25 in 2024, 9 in 2025
Georgia - 33 total, 25 in 2024, 8 in 2025
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:52 am to mdomingue
The challenging part with these numbers is that they don’t tell the whole story. LSU started from a bad place in 2022 with only 15 recruits on a roster that had 39 scholarship players. BK arrived in the middle of Dec of 2021 and salvaged the class of 2022 and actually brought in a number of transfers to fill gaps. However, by the end of the 2022 season, it was evident our depth wasn’t there.
I would expect 17/18 of 85 (20% of the roster) every year to transfer as players realize if they will play or not. Recruiting classes can be as high as 25 -27 players now to fill gaps or recruit transfers with known performance. Coaching now is about setting a culture in the program, have players in the program who enforce that culture, and bring in players who buy into it and integrate quickly. That’s a big difference to the pre portal era. You recruit talent for sure but fit is now just as important. Mercenaries don’t win championships.
I would expect 17/18 of 85 (20% of the roster) every year to transfer as players realize if they will play or not. Recruiting classes can be as high as 25 -27 players now to fill gaps or recruit transfers with known performance. Coaching now is about setting a culture in the program, have players in the program who enforce that culture, and bring in players who buy into it and integrate quickly. That’s a big difference to the pre portal era. You recruit talent for sure but fit is now just as important. Mercenaries don’t win championships.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 7:53 am
Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:15 am to SOL2
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It's a part of the program that has to be managed and we don't seem to do that well if at all. Maybe we don't think it is part of the program.
Look at my post above and tell me how many impact rotation players, guys who would be depended on to start or play backup snaps the next season, are leaving. If this isn’t a problem here (and it isn’t), then we ARE managing this well.
Losing guys who don’t develop enough to break into the rotation in one or two years is fine as long as you have a way to replace them. With what we are spending on the portal now, we have that. Pay your starters and key reserves, recruit top 3-8 classes, and fill in with the portal. Rinse and repeat. Grow up and welcome to college football in 2025.
I understand we had a high number of outbound transfers this year, but that was by design. It was necessary to get the roster numbers down so we could bring in guys from the portal. Kelly telegraphed that before the last game vs OU.
We’ve definitely processed more and taken back more than I expected, but any of us paying attention to the numbers still knew it was coming. We didn’t have room to take a single player before guys left and freed up room.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:12 am to misey94
Exactly. And the guys leaving aren’t signing with big schools so the market is telling you they didn’t develop as rated out of high school or in portal.
The key is bringing in players for more than just the money. Sure, you have to pay, but you want players here that believe in the program and want to play for LSU and with the current team.
The key is bringing in players for more than just the money. Sure, you have to pay, but you want players here that believe in the program and want to play for LSU and with the current team.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:51 am to SupermanSlim
Unfettered Free agency is the rule, not that difficult to see.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 11:52 am
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