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The goal should be one qb per recruiting cycle
Posted on 10/31/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 10/31/19 at 9:30 am
The qb position is the one where you see most transfers because unlike most other positions, only one qb gets meaningful playing time. You can find meaningful playing time for a half dozen defensive backs in a game, but a backup qb is lucky to get mop up time.
The odds are very high one of the two qbs we get this year will not be on the team within 2 to 3 years. In a class like this one, that means you are giving up a valuable roster spot.
That said, I am sure this must be a topic of conversation with the staff and they must feel strongly they need two qbs in this class. It is the most important position on the team.
I just wonder how much they have taken into account how the transfer rule has changed the recruiting game. Taking only one qb in a class where you might need two is less risky because of how qbs transfer now as opposed to five years ago. Our last two starters, Burrow and Etling, were both transfers.
Teams can no longer stash qbs on their rosters. Look at Fields, Hurts and Burrow.
I suppose at this point it would be a bad look to process one of our two qb recruits. Going forward I hope they can keep it to one qb a cycle.
In the irony department, it was our poor recruiting at the qb position which got us Burrow. The silver lining in being bad at the qb spot is that you are automatically high on the list for top transfers to go.
And there will always be top qb talent in the transfer portal. Even Clemson, Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State couldn't keep their second string qbs from leaving. The latest just happened, a top fifty player in the country, Joey Gatewood, is leaving Auburn. Was he really not a better option than Nix?
The odds are very high one of the two qbs we get this year will not be on the team within 2 to 3 years. In a class like this one, that means you are giving up a valuable roster spot.
That said, I am sure this must be a topic of conversation with the staff and they must feel strongly they need two qbs in this class. It is the most important position on the team.
I just wonder how much they have taken into account how the transfer rule has changed the recruiting game. Taking only one qb in a class where you might need two is less risky because of how qbs transfer now as opposed to five years ago. Our last two starters, Burrow and Etling, were both transfers.
Teams can no longer stash qbs on their rosters. Look at Fields, Hurts and Burrow.
I suppose at this point it would be a bad look to process one of our two qb recruits. Going forward I hope they can keep it to one qb a cycle.
In the irony department, it was our poor recruiting at the qb position which got us Burrow. The silver lining in being bad at the qb spot is that you are automatically high on the list for top transfers to go.
And there will always be top qb talent in the transfer portal. Even Clemson, Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State couldn't keep their second string qbs from leaving. The latest just happened, a top fifty player in the country, Joey Gatewood, is leaving Auburn. Was he really not a better option than Nix?
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Posted on 10/31/19 at 9:44 am to paper tiger
Or you could say getting 2 on campus this year increases your odds of getting 1 really good one and a good QB is worth a "lost" roster spot.
This theory is more applicable in years like this one where neither of our prospects is considered elite or "can't miss". Odds are one of them will be very solid.
This theory is more applicable in years like this one where neither of our prospects is considered elite or "can't miss". Odds are one of them will be very solid.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 9:56 am to TheCaterpillar
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Or you could say getting 2 on campus this year increases your odds of getting 1 really good one and a good QB is worth a "lost" roster spot.
This theory is more applicable in years like this one where neither of our prospects is considered elite or "can't miss". Odds are one of them will be very solid.
I do not know about the odds being one of them will be very solid, but I agree you increase your odds of getting a good qb in the class by taking two. The staff must have questions about how strong we will at qb next year and think taking two is necessary. I get that.
My point is that taking only one qb in this class, even if they think two is necessary, becomes less risky a proposition because in recent years the transfer portal seems to always have really good qbs in it, qbs not willing to bide their time.
Indeed its likely one of the two qbs we get in this class will be in the portal one day.
Sure, its possible they can spread them out by redshirting one and not the other. But qbs like Brennan who are willing to bide their time are less common these days.
And while I am one who likes Brennan, a likely reason Brennan stayed is LSU is his best chance to start at a major program anyway. He will probably start for LSU next year. Had he entered the portal, he might not have found a comparable situation.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 10:01 am to paper tiger
"But his dad is Brad Johnson!!!"
Posted on 10/31/19 at 10:28 am to paper tiger
in this day of the transfer portal, not sure this model would work. look at Auburn with Gatewood jumping ship. The transfer portal has created a monster.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:04 am to paper tiger
While I strongly agree with the sentiment, more often than not something will happen to screw things up. More important is what you have on the roster. I think 4 is ideal. You can get by with 3 like this year, if you are confident with everyone. 2 like last year is a problem because it starts to effect your play calling and a couple of unlucky injuries and you will have a wr, like KY, running the offense.
So I believe we need 2 this year. Even if DJ Uiagalelei shocked us and committed to us we should try to get 2 because that may spook Parish after the spring.
So I believe we need 2 this year. Even if DJ Uiagalelei shocked us and committed to us we should try to get 2 because that may spook Parish after the spring.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:15 am to paper tiger
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It is the most important position on the team.
There you go. If you find yourself jilted at the signing day alter like LSU has in the past, you're not left with your dick dangling in the wind.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:18 am to paper tiger
5 of the top 10 career passers at LSU have been in the past 20 years. 3 of those were not HS recruits. Mett (JC), Ettling(Transfer), Burrow (Grad Transfer). The other two were Jamarcus Russell and Jordan Jefferson.
So it is important but the source may not be the traditional HS QB recruit.
So it is important but the source may not be the traditional HS QB recruit.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:19 am to Indiana Tiger
quote:
While I strongly agree with the sentiment, more often than not something will happen to screw things up. More important is what you have on the roster. I think 4 is ideal. You can get by with 3 like this year, if you are confident with everyone. 2 like last year is a problem because it starts to effect your play calling and a couple of unlucky injuries and you will have a wr, like KY, running the offense.
So I believe we need 2 this year. Even if DJ Uiagalelei shocked us and committed to us we should try to get 2 because that may spook Parish after the spring
There is certainly an advantage to bringing in two qbs this year. It might end up being a very smart move.
But its all about risk assessment and balancing risks.
One thing appears almost certain at this point. A very good player who wants to come to LSU will not have a spot because we are taking two qbs. It might be a 4 star offensive lineman, a running back, an edge rusher or another defensive tackle that wants in.
So yes, there is value in taking an extra qb and reasons to do so. But there is also risk. One of these two qbs will probably never play a down for LSU and the cost will be a lineman or running back or someone else left out because there is no room at the inn.
In some years it would be less a big deal than a year like this. I cannot recall a class filling up so quickly and having so many quality recruits still interested.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:36 am to paper tiger
Agree for most cycles but we definitely need 2 here. Never know which one will be a bust and which one will excel.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:48 am to paper tiger
2021 we will bring in an elite QB. If he surpasses our 2020 QB's what happens then? This is a very likely scenario. I think the goal should be an elite QB every 2 years. Maybe a 4 star in between in case of injury or bust.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 12:00 pm to paper tiger
The OP is idiotic. Completely. And frankly DAF. On every level. Have you guys ever played football or coached anything?? So much so , it isn’t even worth responding to. And people are upvoting it? Holy cow.
This post was edited on 10/31/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/31/19 at 12:02 pm to paper tiger
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The qb position is the one where you see most transfers because unlike most other positions, only one qb gets meaningful playing time. You can find meaningful playing time for a half dozen defensive backs in a game, but a backup qb is lucky to get mop up time.
The odds are very high one of the two qbs we get this year will not be on the team within 2 to 3 years. In a class like this one, that means you are giving up a valuable roster spot.
That said, I am sure this must be a topic of conversation with the staff and they must feel strongly they need two qbs in this class. It is the most important position on the team.
I just wonder how much they have taken into account how the transfer rule has changed the recruiting game. Taking only one qb in a class where you might need two is less risky because of how qbs transfer now as opposed to five years ago. Our last two starters, Burrow and Etling, were both transfers.
Teams can no longer stash qbs on their rosters. Look at Fields, Hurts and Burrow.
I suppose at this point it would be a bad look to process one of our two qb recruits. Going forward I hope they can keep it to one qb a cycle.
In the irony department, it was our poor recruiting at the qb position which got us Burrow. The silver lining in being bad at the qb spot is that you are automatically high on the list for top transfers to go.
And there will always be top qb talent in the transfer portal. Even Clemson, Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State couldn't keep their second string qbs from leaving. The latest just happened, a top fifty player in the country, Joey Gatewood, is leaving Auburn. Was he really not a better option than Nix?
Posted on 10/31/19 at 12:08 pm to cra_cra
quote:Very kind.
Salviati, BRILLIANT!
You're absolutely right.
But still, very kind.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 12:48 pm to paper tiger
The transfer portal has changed nothing other than you know it’s public now. Why do people keep saying this
There were transfers before the damn transfer portal lol
There were transfers before the damn transfer portal lol
Posted on 10/31/19 at 1:18 pm to paper tiger
quote:
There is certainly an advantage to bringing in two qbs this year. It might end up being a very smart move.
But its all about risk assessment and balancing risks.
This is exactly what I'm doing. You just have a different risk assessment than I do.
quote:
One thing appears almost certain at this point. A very good player who wants to come to LSU will not have a spot because we are taking two qbs. It might be a 4 star offensive lineman, a running back, an edge rusher or another defensive tackle that wants in.
So yes, there is value in taking an extra qb and reasons to do so. But there is also risk. One of these two qbs will probably never play a down for LSU and the cost will be a lineman or running back or someone else left out because there is no room at the inn.
In some years it would be less a big deal than a year like this. I cannot recall a class filling up so quickly and having so many quality recruits still interested.
It's not the 5star sure prospect that will be turned away, but the lowest ranked (by the coaches) at the position of least need (or at least some sort of combo of these kinds of factors when the decision is made.)
Posted on 10/31/19 at 2:01 pm to paper tiger
Don’t know about Gatewood, but I wouldn’t mine Justin Rogers at TCU if he became available. He’s currently 2nd/3rd string behind their starting freshman QB.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 2:22 pm to Indiana Tiger
I dont know that we disagree that much. I acknowledged in the post the staff must have their reasons for taking two qbs. The title of the post itself reads that the "goal" should be one qb a here.
Things do not always work out the way we plan. It might be with McMillen and Narcisse both transferring the staff thinks they need two more this year.
I do think in a ideal year you should get one qb recruit. I also think the way kids transfer now is different than in the past, more qbs are transferring than ever before and more waivers are being granted. So we dont need to depend on HS recruits as much as before because there are more qbs transferring than ever before.
The guys running the show at LSU are doing a good job and I assume they thought this through. Getting two might end up being the right choice this year.
One thing is probable, a good player who might have contributed at LSU misses out on a roster spot this year due to numbers while one of the two qbs we got never finishes at LSU.
Things do not always work out the way we plan. It might be with McMillen and Narcisse both transferring the staff thinks they need two more this year.
I do think in a ideal year you should get one qb recruit. I also think the way kids transfer now is different than in the past, more qbs are transferring than ever before and more waivers are being granted. So we dont need to depend on HS recruits as much as before because there are more qbs transferring than ever before.
The guys running the show at LSU are doing a good job and I assume they thought this through. Getting two might end up being the right choice this year.
One thing is probable, a good player who might have contributed at LSU misses out on a roster spot this year due to numbers while one of the two qbs we got never finishes at LSU.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 2:29 pm to BayouBoogie
The La. guy who didn't want LSU in the first place? No thanks.
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