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re: Thayer Evans Article on LSU and Randle and street agents

Posted on 3/13/11 at 5:07 pm to
Posted by NorfolkVATiger
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Posted on 3/13/11 at 5:07 pm to
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But I think the entire basis of the article is Hartman being very pissed that Randle didn't go to Oklahoma.


I agree with this.

Surprised none of the recruitniks have pointed out the factual innaccuracies in some of Hartman's statements.

1. Article says Randle first met Lyles at the USAA game (in January 2010). December 3rd, 2009, Randle gave an interview to Scout that says LSU is his boyhood favorite, his big leader, and if he gets an offer he might committ on the spot. But Hartman says LSU was never in the discussion until Lyles showed up. Clearly wrong.

2. The visit to the high school took place AFTER Oregon showed up with Lyles, 2 months after NSD in 2010, which would make it roughly April or so. Randle committed to LSU within 2 weeks of getting his written offer, in Feb of 2010. He was already an LSU committment at the time of Haley's visit to the high school.

I'm not happy that LSU is associated with this character but Randle's recruitment does not follow the norm for shady agent-assisted recruitments. Those usually drag on closer to NSD and don't involve a kid goin where he said he was going to go, before he ever met the street agent, with a verbal committment a year before NSD.

Scout Article from December 3rd, 2009 (Premium)
This post was edited on 3/13/11 at 5:09 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/13/11 at 7:44 pm to
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He told Haley he was helping the previous LSU guy. . .which turns out was a lie.

duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/13/11 at 7:53 pm to
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I'm not happy that LSU is associated with this character but Randle's recruitment does not follow the norm for shady agent-assisted recruitments.

i think you fail to realize how many kids have handlers. we just hear about the kids you mentioned b/c fanbases get sore and try to throw dirt (while ironically being in bed with the same handlers)

those are the one we remember, so we assume those are the "real" handler situations
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 3/13/11 at 7:54 pm to
If I had to guess, about 2/3 of the recruits have handlers.....perhaps more
This post was edited on 3/13/11 at 8:09 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:18 pm to
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duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
The HS coach says it was a lie
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:29 pm to
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The HS coach says it was a lie

unless haley is lying
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 1:40 pm to
2 out of three? Damn Memphis, you would know better than I would. Is this mostly with players without involved fathers, or does it even matter?
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 1:57 pm to
No I wouldn't. Like I said that was a guess given how many do the 7 on 7's, and how big the agent's stomping grounds are. If you go one population size(recruit population) of the area you will find that the majority of the kids are involved with these street agents come from some of the most populous areas of the country.

There are several street agents in FL, Ga, La, Ms, Al, and that's just the immediate south. You'll probably find it doesn't end here. It probably expands to the north and out west.

If the ACC schools are dealing with agents then they need a refund.
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 2:00 pm
Posted by tygeray
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 2:50 pm to
I think many times these street agents know where the kids want to go and then tell that school they will deliver the kid to that school for a certain price...particularly in Lache's situation. The players may or may not be aware or benefit from it.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 3:12 pm to
i dont really see a problem with handlers. Yes they are trying to make money off these kids, but so are the universities and the ncaa. It seems like these guys usually are not connected with just one school or just one coach. If say this guy lyles was paid buy a dozen schools for his recruiting services i dont see the problem.

Why would LSU use him to get randle, when oregon used him to get lache? A back we recruited heavily. I figure there would be bad blood cus that would mean lache was steered away from LSU for another school. I personally dont think anything will come of this. Can the guy really be considered a booster to several schools?

Posted by tigerlaw
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 4:43 pm to
New Thayer Evans tweet:

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Perspective on $25,000 Oregon paid to Will Lyles for scouting services. LSU paid him $6,000 in Dec. for scouting. LINK
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 5:31 pm to
Great, it keeps getting better.
Posted by CFBFAN1121
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 6:50 pm to
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that didn't say anythign about LSU paying a dime for anything.



didn't even hint at it.



LSU paid $6K for 'street agent' services


Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 6:54 pm to
I would put it at 98% that LSU is going to get dinged for a major violation since $ changed hands. Too many Texas high school coaches have been loudly calling Lyles a cheater too long and too often for any college to pretend they didn't know.

All it boils down to now is to see how heavy the hammer is on LSU.
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 6:58 pm to
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I think many times these street agents know where the kids want to go and then tell that school they will deliver the kid to that school for a certain price...particularly in Lache's situation. The players may or may not be aware or benefit from it.


The Longhorns were hot & heavy in pursuit of Lache and the rumor is a bagman for Lyles approached Texas and very vaguely hinted around about what it would take to get him in Austin. The Horns dropped their pursuit of Lache that instant and Lache started telling recruiting gurus he was no longer interested in Texas. Now, do you think that running back starved Texas dropped their interest for no reason. Also, if the street agent already knows where the kid wants to go, why is Lache expressing interest in multiple schools? Why is Lyles getting paid AFTER kids like Lache sign?
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 7:13 pm to
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LSU paid $6K for 'street agent' services


If you're going to come in and pipe-in trying to act like a smartass, read the whole topic. He was referring to the first article that was posted idiot

And yes, Texas is a pure college that would do no wrong . Good job jumping to conclusions about LSU getting a major violation based on a Thayer Evans article. The $6,000 was given to the scouting service that Lyles works for, a VERY common practice among pretty much EVERY team and they do this with more than one scouting service

Are they innocent? I don't know, but I'm going to wait until someone a little more in the know says something. Go ask Thayer about Cam cheating at Florida. Thayer gets one small tip and rolls with it with hardly any research. He's been that way his whole career.

Another little note here: I know this is a premium article but this LINK was written on DECEMBER 3rd, 2009 where Randle stated that if LSU offered, he would likely have a quick answer for them. According to Thayer, Randle didn't meet Lyles until the Army All-American Combine in JANUARY of 2010. So, tell me why LSU would pay Lyles personally to help recruit this kid who named LSU clearly his leader a month before even meeting Lyles to help bring Randle to LSU?
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 7:30 pm
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 8:29 pm to
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And yes, Texas is a pure college that would do no wrong .


Ah, yes, the "everyone does it so it is OK" defense. The lat refuge of the stupid and the morally bankrupt.

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So, tell me why LSU would pay Lyles personally to help recruit this kid who named LSU clearly his leader a month before even meeting Lyles to help bring Randle to LSU?


Honestly, I don't know why anyone would pay Lyles for finding the big time recruits when so much info about the top players is out there for free.....still, LSU payed a guy who is VERY well known by Texas High School coaches as a slimeball 6K for these very services.

As for when who met who, I don't think the relationship to be concerned about is between Lyles and the player.......but between Lyles and the father. THAT is the way below-board college football business gets done:

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Randle said meeting Lyles was helpful because he and his father were initially overwhelmed and uninformed about the recruiting process.


quote:

Just over a month after meeting Lyles, Randle committed to LSU at a Tigers junior day. Randle said he consulted with his parents before choosing LSU, but said his father is “pretty tight” with Lyles


Look, I don't have some agenda where I hate LSU. I know Texas & LSU chase a lot of the same players but as long as Mack is at Texas, the Horns will always do just fine in recruiting no matter what anyone else does. Lyles is so well known to be dirty I will be fall-out-of-my-chair shocked if anyone who paid the man AND signed a recruit through him dodges the bullet. We'll see.....
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 8:49 pm to
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Ah, yes, the "everyone does it so it is OK" defense. The lat refuge of the stupid and the morally bankrupt.

if LSU is going to get a major violation, then the shite ton of the SEC, Big12, ACC, and Pac10 schools will get major violations

and it's not like LSU was busted having a student organization arrange for girls to frick recruits or anything

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still, LSU payed a guy who is VERY well known by Texas High School coaches as a slimeball 6K for these very services.

and i don't know if it's against NCAA rules

or, at the least, it will be difficult to prove that any rules under the current format were broken

quote:

I know Texas & LSU chase a lot of the same players

we don't really. LSU goes after almost all guys in TX who UT doesn't go after. we battle very rarely

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I will be fall-out-of-my-chair shocked if anyone who paid the man AND signed a recruit through him dodges the bullet.

it's impossible to prove what payments were made for the services and what payments were mad to the man to sign the kids

do we know if UT paid for any recruiting services with an employee who may have had a personal relationship with a kid? honest question. i bet you don't know, and i bet UT doesn't know
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 8:56 pm to
I think prostitution is a major crime right?

Have fun with that one Drunkenstein
Posted by PeterPan
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:27 pm to
LSU paid $6,000 to Complete Scouting Services, a college recruiting firm that employs reputed street agent Will Lyles, unless Lyles owns and runs the business himself i dont see the problem

LSU senior associate athletic director Herb Vincent told the Times Picayune LSU paid $6,000 for the JUCO Per State Package which includes game films from California and Kansas Junior Colleges and costs $3,000 per state. Vincent said LSU used 14 different recruiting services last year, ranging from $39.95 to ESPN Insider to $20,000 for National Prep Network
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 9:32 pm
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