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re: "Storm never had committable offer"
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:34 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:34 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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what do you think happened? it's pretty obvious that storm and his family feel like they were burned by LSU, at least from the quotes i've seen
Exactly...the key phrase there is "from the quote I've seen". YOu have to take into the fact that 1) media automatically distorts/hyperbolizes situations for increased viewer ship by focusing in on certain quotes.
And this is the main issue... 2) You have only heard one side of the story. I am sorry, but if you are saying that the school intentionally screwed over a college student athlete...especially Les Miles, the one person who has always stuck up for students from all possibly occurunces...then it is totally wrong. I would expect such treachery from maybe someone like Saban considering his track record of saying one thing and doing another ( and come to think of it..I still wouldnt expect Saban do something this horrible). Storm wasnt super highly recruited other than by LSU from all that ive seen or read. Trust me when i say there are a lot of people who are very very good at playing politics and I feel this is Just one such occurance.
Storm is a good recruit and If he does come to LSU i would be happy to have him. But if he doesnt come, i wouldnt mind it at all. In fact in prevoius posts I have expressed concern about him. Only in ESPN 150 is storm rated super highly. Rivals and Scout rate him much lower.
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Posted on 8/8/09 at 8:02 pm to CFBFAN1121
Why do you keep saying that it is because of Lache? He has already said that he will most likely be announcing at the Army All-American game in January. He has also not been intimidated by competition. If the coaches were slow playing Storm because of Lache, why would they allow Ware to commit a week or two later?
Also, I don't understand why committable offer is such a hard term to understand. Obviously Garrett Uekman and Trovon Reed are not in the same situation.
Also, I don't understand why committable offer is such a hard term to understand. Obviously Garrett Uekman and Trovon Reed are not in the same situation.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 8:05 pm to LSUGTFAN
fwiw...if we are just adding opinions here, I have to agree with lynx and cfbfan here. From the facts that are present, this is the only conclusion that can reasonably be drawn. We all understand that it is possible there are things in play we don not know, but based on what we do, this is the most plausible explanation.
This had to do with Ware's commitment, not Seastrunk's possible commitment in my opinion.
The real question, is why do you continue to ask the same question in multiple posts over and over again cfbfan? You refuse to accept the most logical answer, and have all sorts of sand in your vagina over a kid you clearly don't give a crap about. You are just exploiting this unfortunate situation in an effort to kick dirt on LSU. His father is the person who put this in the paper. Not LSU. Les Miles, nor Larry Porter, nor anyone associated with LSU has said anything to the media about Storm. His father announced the commitment, then he announced the withdrawn commitment, effectively embarrassing his son on a national stage.
This had to do with Ware's commitment, not Seastrunk's possible commitment in my opinion.
The real question, is why do you continue to ask the same question in multiple posts over and over again cfbfan? You refuse to accept the most logical answer, and have all sorts of sand in your vagina over a kid you clearly don't give a crap about. You are just exploiting this unfortunate situation in an effort to kick dirt on LSU. His father is the person who put this in the paper. Not LSU. Les Miles, nor Larry Porter, nor anyone associated with LSU has said anything to the media about Storm. His father announced the commitment, then he announced the withdrawn commitment, effectively embarrassing his son on a national stage.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 8:07 pm to CFBFAN1121
Can we please let this go.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 8:43 pm to CFBFAN1121
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I realize lsu fans gotta say this to make it seem like this is all storm's fault but I have a question.
I realize you gotta say this to make it seem like you aren't an idiot, but I have a question.
How long have you been this stupid?
Posted on 8/8/09 at 8:53 pm to NewGuy01
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You refuse to accept the most logical answer, and have all sorts of sand in your vagina over a kid you clearly don't give a crap about.
I actually do feel bad for the kid, not only for the situation that i think the LSU staff could've prevented, but I've seen comments from LSU fans absolutely dogging this kid when he's done nothing but want to play for LSU.
If this was about Lache or Ware is totally irrelevant to me. Obviously the Storm family thought they had a solid offer. When his father went public with the committment, all LSU staff had to do is call him and make it clear he didnt have a solid offer.
Then the Storm family announced they were going to drive to BR on his BDAY to personally make it official to Miles. Again, they could've called him and told him what the deal was, they didnt. They let the family drive all the way to BR on his BDAY thinking he was about to fulfill his lifelong dream, once he gets there they then decide to tell him they weren't accepting the committment, and some of you guys are sh%tting on the family???
IMO, situation like this, it's up to the school to make sure the family know that just b/c u have an offer, dont mean you have an offer.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 9:43 pm to CFBFAN1121
Fact is, you don't know what you are talking about, and frankly I am tired of this argument. However, with my last post on Storm Johnson I will address/disprove what you are asserting about LSU:
Timeline-
So far so good..... a news report based solely on things said by the Johnson family... driving down to talk to Miles on the 11th of July. Then.....
nine days after alleged commitment by father...
So, we know nothing about what was said in that meeting, only what was blurted out to the national media by Storm's father like he clearly was asked not to. ( I don't feel this was the reason, just pointing out the egg on his face is HIS FAULT)
Also, that is the most wishy washy bullshite quote from someone that knows their commitment was accepted and it is a done deal. Are you kidding me? The ball is in LSU's court? What fricking ball? You commited, they accepted what the frick are you talking about? Pretty much comfortable? When Russell Shepard committed do you think he felt LSU was "pretty much comfortable" with him? Or do you think they were overjoyed to have him, like they are with all of the commits they accept? Doesn't sound like the dad was in an open and shut meeting does it? And the father is going to mention that he thinks he is keeping quiet to not scare off more talented backs than his son? Sounds to me like he is trying to scare off said backs by doing just that. Not to blind you with logic or anything.
All that said, Storm sounds like a good kid and I wish him a great college career, and I hope he makes more money in the NFL than he knows what to do with.
Timeline-
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Mike Strom, The Times Picayune, June 30, 2009 7:26 p.m.
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Storm Johnson of Loganville, Ga., is a 6-foot-1, 215-pound man-child already rated among the nation’s top running back prospects who is scheduled to celebrate his 17th birthday on July 10.
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The real party for Johnson and his family, however, comes one day later when he travels to Baton Rouge on an unofficial visit to LSU to officially announce his verbal commitment to the Tigers and Coach Les Miles.
So far so good..... a news report based solely on things said by the Johnson family... driving down to talk to Miles on the 11th of July. Then.....
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Mike Strom, The Times Picayune, July 20, 2009 2:45 p.m.
nine days after alleged commitment by father...
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Storm Johnson has not spoken publicly about his commitment since making an unofficial visit to Baton Rouge on July 11 to personally deliver his verbal pledge to Coach Les Miles and running backs coach Larry Porter.
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They asked us not to say anything until they make an announcement. We’re letting them handle it.’’
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A likely reason for the request for silence, Wes Johnson acknowledged, may involve LSU’s recruitment of two other of the nation’s top senior running backs, Lache Seastrunk of Temple, Texas, and Marcus Lattimore of Duncan, S.C., Byrnes.
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“I think (LSU’s coaches) are pretty much comfortable with Storm,’’ Wes Johnson continued.
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“At this point, the ball is in (LSU’s) court,’’ Wes Johnson also said.
So, we know nothing about what was said in that meeting, only what was blurted out to the national media by Storm's father like he clearly was asked not to. ( I don't feel this was the reason, just pointing out the egg on his face is HIS FAULT)
Also, that is the most wishy washy bullshite quote from someone that knows their commitment was accepted and it is a done deal. Are you kidding me? The ball is in LSU's court? What fricking ball? You commited, they accepted what the frick are you talking about? Pretty much comfortable? When Russell Shepard committed do you think he felt LSU was "pretty much comfortable" with him? Or do you think they were overjoyed to have him, like they are with all of the commits they accept? Doesn't sound like the dad was in an open and shut meeting does it? And the father is going to mention that he thinks he is keeping quiet to not scare off more talented backs than his son? Sounds to me like he is trying to scare off said backs by doing just that. Not to blind you with logic or anything.
All that said, Storm sounds like a good kid and I wish him a great college career, and I hope he makes more money in the NFL than he knows what to do with.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:02 pm to CFBFAN1121
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stop it. everybody knew storm was planning to come to br and verbally give his commitment. if lsu knew they wouldn't accept it they coulda prevented this young from being embarrassed and heart broken by telling him upfront what the deal was. that's all im sayin
Posted on 8/9/09 at 12:41 am to CFBFAN1121
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imo
There's your problem. You have formed an opinion without knowing all the facts. Flame away....
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:25 am to CFBFAN1121
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lsu knew they wouldn't accept it they coulda prevented this young from being embarrassed and heart broken by telling him upfront what the deal was. that's all im sayin
You have no fricken idea what the coaches told him. You only know one side of the story, and who knows if it's the right one.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:37 am to ColtsTigers
okay so i understand what everyone is saying regarding WARE being rated ahead of STORM.....
but where does BLUE fit in?
are they looking for him to fill another position or is this a situational offer as well?
Because if BLUE accepts and there is still 1 spot saved for LACHE, I will be pretty ticked because I really want to see STORM in purple and gold.
but where does BLUE fit in?
are they looking for him to fill another position or is this a situational offer as well?
Because if BLUE accepts and there is still 1 spot saved for LACHE, I will be pretty ticked because I really want to see STORM in purple and gold.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 6:25 am to CFBFAN1121
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imo, they accepted his commitment, they just didn't want lache to know about it,which would only mean they weren't being upfront with lache too.
You are full of BS. If there is one thing that we know about Miles, it is that he has more honesty and character in his little finger, than most SEC coaches (like Saban for example). This is simply not Miles's style.
Storm and his Dad have been spewing all kinds of stuff to the Media since day one.
I believe in Miles, not some BS that a recruit's Dad says.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 6:31 am to CFBFAN1121
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they let the family drive 14 hours
Hey Dumb A$$, there are a lot of recruits that visit LSU with family that don't have a scholarship offer. This is nothing new.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:57 am to G8RH8R
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Because if BLUE accepts and there is still 1 spot saved for LACHE, I will be pretty ticked because I really want to see STORM in purple and gold.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:13 am to NewGuy01
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They asked us not to say anything until they make an announcement. We’re letting them handle it.’’
This statement from Wes Johnson is the most troublesome to me, as it makes exactly zero sense. Besides the fact that he is acknowledging doing exactly what LSU told him not to do, there is the fact that universities don't make announcements about recruits. Because of NCAA rules, they aren't allowed to even discuss a specific kid, which is why we haven't heard LSU's side of this story and probably never will.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 11:32 pm to CFBFAN1121
Either you are with us or you are tigerbait 
Posted on 8/10/09 at 3:27 pm to cardee2003
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If this was about Lache or Ware is totally irrelevant to me. Obviously the Storm family thought they had a solid offer. When his father went public with the committment, all LSU staff had to do is call him and make it clear he didnt have a solid offer.
How do we know that LSU didn't call and make it clear he didnt have a solid offer?
None of Wes Johnson's comments sound like a guy whose son got a solid offer. "LSU is pretty comfortable"? and "the ball's in LSU's court"?
Sounds like a dude trying to manipulate LSU into taking "we have a high interest in you" to "we want to offer you a scholarship".
I don't like throwing families or kids under the bus. It's just not the right way to handle things. But there are people who will take advantage of situations when they see fit and the fact that Miles and Porter can never refute anything because of NCAA rules does make it easy for people to take shots at them and how they handle recruits.
Either way this process is a two way street. And the reality is that Storm Johnson wouldn't have looked like a fool if his dad had just shut his damn mouth to the press.
This post was edited on 8/10/09 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/10/09 at 4:24 pm to extremetigerfanatic
good post extremetigerfanatic. good to see you around and posting.
Posted on 8/11/09 at 1:45 pm to STLSU
Whatever the case, I can't help but think that we will regret letting this guy get away. I just watched his video, and he is awfully impressive. Our staff does a terrific job recruiting, and I know they see a lot more than one recruiting video. I just really like the way this kid runs, and hopefully he stays out of the SEC. Hilliard and Hill better come to LSU next year, that's all I know!
Posted on 8/12/09 at 11:18 am to CFBFAN1121
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on his bday.
How old is the guy? 6? You should be over the birthday hysteria by the time you are 17-18 years old IMO.
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 11:19 am
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