- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Star rating
Posted on 7/26/19 at 7:30 am to Tyga4lyfe
Posted on 7/26/19 at 7:30 am to Tyga4lyfe
quote:
I know that is what it represents.i feel like there are more than 32 five stars some years.
The recruiting services grade themselves on on NFL draft picks, therefore, that's why it's 32 for 247. They feel only folks they will be 1st round picks should be 5-stars.
They dont care about college performance really, which never made any sense to me. You can be great college player but go drafted very low or even undrafted.
Clemson's Mitch Hyatt started at LT for 4 years. He was 4 time All-ACC, All American for 2 years, and won the Jacobs Trophy twice. Literally one of the most decorated OLinemen to ever play in college football.
He went undrafted in the NFL draft. Hyatt was a 5-star on 247 at #27 overall, and was #23 in the 5-star in the composite. They see this player as a failed evaluation, despite what he actually did in college.
Yes, I've brought this up before many time son 247 boards, it's never made any sense, but I get this is how they can somewhat objectively measure themselves despite the fact nobody really cares where they get drafted, just what they did for their team.
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 7:31 am
2
Posted on 7/26/19 at 7:46 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
Yes, I've brought this up before many time son 247 boards, it's never made any sense, but I get this is how they can somewhat objectively measure themselves despite the fact nobody really cares where they get drafted, just what they did for their team.
This is just dumb. They can just as easily measure themselves by using all American team selections, and then they wouldn't have to pander to NFL draft trends.
It's a dumb system that they've just fallen in love with.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 7:51 am to BIG CAT
There's less than (25) five star ratings given on an average basis.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:55 am to The Pirate King
To a certain degree, stars are overrated. No one really knows how good a player will be on the next level, but it sells subscriptions and fans love seeing stars next to their recruit's name. Clemson is recruiting big time players now, but they really built their program on 3/4 star kids! Stars sell, but guarantee nothing!
Posted on 7/26/19 at 10:11 am to km
By the end of the cycle it's roughly 32.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 10:37 am to thunderbird1100
I disagree with you. To start, I don't think 247 sees Hyatt as a failed evaluation considering how good he was in college. In my opinion, they correlate their star rankings to the NFL draft because there are many parallels. For 247, they're projecting HS to CFB. For the draft, the projecting CFB to the NFL. They're both trying to predict how a player will perform at the next level. It is very easy to understand this system. If someone's a 5* talent, that's the equivalent to a first round talent. A 4* is a draftable talent. Just like in the draft, there will be busts and players that are underated.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 11:25 am to ConeHawk
quote:
For 247, they're projecting HS to CFB
No they're not. They're trying to project high school to the NFL draft (not even, necessarily how they perform in the NFL). Last year, one of the reasons they said Kardell Thomas dropped was because he was a guard and that position has been devalued a bit in the draft.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 11:32 am to whitefoot
Well Kardell also went from a top 3 OG on 247 to the #22 OG.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 11:34 am to km
quote:
There's less than (25) five star ratings given on an average basis.
247 bases their ratings around the NFL draft. They choose 32 guys they think have the greatest potential of becoming 1st round draft picks by the end of the cycle. Those guys end up being the 5 stars in the class. They even rank players based on NFL value now too apparently. That was their excuse for not having Stingley as their #1 last year. His position has a lower value than a linebacker. Seemed lame to me.
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/26/19 at 11:45 am to ConeHawk
quote:
Well Kardell also went from a top 3 OG on 247 to the #22 OG
That's not really relevant. When they dropped him 34 spots last summer, they said it was due to his position as it relates to the draft.
I'm not saying Kardell should not have been dropped, I'm saying no player should be dropped based on the draft-ability of their position. So many factors outside of playing ability go into who is a first round pick and who isn't. It's just a really dumb metric to use to base your success as an analyst on.
As I said before, they should use All-American honors. The top 10 guys, they think will be unanimous AAs, the next 20 or so will be consensus.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 12:55 pm to ConeHawk
per 24/7 kardell was #4 OG in the '19 class
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:11 pm to whitefoot
I agree that it shouldn't be so based on NFL values but I don't care very much.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:13 pm to 167back
He was #4 on the 247 Composite but only #22 on the actual 247 rankings.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:54 pm to whitefoot
quote:
I'm saying no player should be dropped based on the draft-ability of their position.
I don’t think it’s that dumb conceptually. If you think about why the NFL draft values/devalues certain positions, it often has to do with either:
A) The impact of that position on the field, or
B) The number of players available who project to be good (or even “serviceable”) at that position.
I would argue that those same considerations come into play with college recruiting as well.
Using your offensive line example - in the NFL draft, great tackles are valued higher currently than great guards. Now look at college football. I would think that, all other things being equal, we would rather take a true #1 OT than a true #1 G. It seems that natural tackles are harder to find than natural guards - at least for LSU.
Granted there are other considerations in the NFL that affect positional value, such as the 52-man roster or the average career lengths at various positions (vs. 4-5 years max in college). But still, I think it’s as good of a grading metric for the recruiting services as anything else.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:45 pm to whitefoot
quote:
no player should be dropped based on the draft-ability of their position
Punter - Braden Mann, Texas A&M (AFCA, AP, FWAA, TSN, WCFF, SI, USAT, ESPN, CFN, CBS, Athlon)
Would he be a 5 star for you? All American punter on pretty much any list out there from last year.
Trevor Lawrence didn’t make any all American teams. Wasn’t even 1st team All ACC. Seems like a legit 5 star to me though.
Then there are guys like Stefon Diggs. Rated top 10 guy by 247. Goes to Maryland and puts up solid stats but never all American or even All ACC. Has a solid combine yet drafted in the 5th rd. Now he’s a top 20ish wr in the nfl. Is that a hit or miss by 247?
Posted on 7/26/19 at 5:02 pm to BIG CAT
I for one don't give a shite about his stars.
He is really really good.
He is from U.High
Bama wants him real bad and has wasted a ton of time on him.
He is really really good.
He is really really good.
He is from U.High
Bama wants him real bad and has wasted a ton of time on him.
He is really really good.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 6:29 pm to RB10
they also rate 5.5, 5.6, 5.7, 5.8, 5.9, 6.0 etc......so these numbers represent their total rating, which when high enough.., is a 5 star. What happens when they rate these players using that point system and it totals over 32 players?? Do they purposely rate these numbers low enough to match so the total is 32? Or do they decide they have to leave out some? 0bviously they are changing what they think of a players ability based on a numbers game..thats not accurate.. It shouldnt have to match 32 first rounders. let the draft figure that out. Rate them normally..
Posted on 7/27/19 at 8:04 am to LSU Patrick
Good info. Thanks.
Page 2 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News