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Star Gaze Thread : A look at recruiting during the CFP era.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:33 pm
CFB era Champions, 3 year recruiting rankings prior to NC, number of 5*/4*/3* in that span.
2014 OSU - 5th, 2nd, 6th (10/37/24)
2015 Bama - 1st, 1st, 1st (15/43/20)
2016 Clemson - 16th, 9th, 15th(4/29/29)
2017 Bama - 1st, 1st, 1st (15/44/16)
2018 Clemson - 11th, 16th, 9th (4/30/24)
2019 LSU - 2nd, 15th, 7th (5/42/27)
2020 Bama - 1st, 5th, 1st (11/54/11)
2021 UGA - 1st, 2nd, 1st (15/46/13)
2022 UGA - 4th, 1st, 2nd ( 13/44/14)
2024 LSU Team
2024 - 12th 0/18/9
2023 - 6th 2/16/8
2022 - 12th 1/6/8
Obviously the portal plays a huge role, evaluations don’t hold up, coaching, schedules, etc, all play a factor.
The consistent thing we see is the teams who recruit the higher stars, lesser 3 stars, have long term success. Clemson has proven you don’t need top classes every year to win a championship, but you can tell that eventually a program like that will fall off.
Another thing we see is LSU hasn’t taken many more 3 stars in the last three year span than the teams listed above.
The fact is higher stars equals success, it’s just reality, but other factors are still important. Also, It’s not about making the playoffs, it’s about winning it.
Lastly, I think Kelly is building a good product, and eventually will put together a championship team.
Just to add, JESUS, does Bama recruit well. I mean that made me sick just typing it.
*used 24/7 for stats (it’s just the first site I used, don’t hammer me)
2014 OSU - 5th, 2nd, 6th (10/37/24)
2015 Bama - 1st, 1st, 1st (15/43/20)
2016 Clemson - 16th, 9th, 15th(4/29/29)
2017 Bama - 1st, 1st, 1st (15/44/16)
2018 Clemson - 11th, 16th, 9th (4/30/24)
2019 LSU - 2nd, 15th, 7th (5/42/27)
2020 Bama - 1st, 5th, 1st (11/54/11)
2021 UGA - 1st, 2nd, 1st (15/46/13)
2022 UGA - 4th, 1st, 2nd ( 13/44/14)
2024 LSU Team
2024 - 12th 0/18/9
2023 - 6th 2/16/8
2022 - 12th 1/6/8
Obviously the portal plays a huge role, evaluations don’t hold up, coaching, schedules, etc, all play a factor.
The consistent thing we see is the teams who recruit the higher stars, lesser 3 stars, have long term success. Clemson has proven you don’t need top classes every year to win a championship, but you can tell that eventually a program like that will fall off.
Another thing we see is LSU hasn’t taken many more 3 stars in the last three year span than the teams listed above.
The fact is higher stars equals success, it’s just reality, but other factors are still important. Also, It’s not about making the playoffs, it’s about winning it.
Lastly, I think Kelly is building a good product, and eventually will put together a championship team.
Just to add, JESUS, does Bama recruit well. I mean that made me sick just typing it.
*used 24/7 for stats (it’s just the first site I used, don’t hammer me)
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 3:58 pm
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:40 pm to LSUcajun77
I’m puzzled by the portal. Do we only go after kids w/ Louisiana roots? How tf is ole Miss getting everything they go after?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:42 pm to dukesilver72
quote:
How tf is ole Miss getting everything they go after?
Is it really that hard to understand that money more often than not wins out?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:44 pm to dukesilver72
No, we’ve have two Heisman winners not from Louisiana. That’s the highest award in sports, and extremely hard to win, for the record.
But going after highly ranked/evaluated/experienced players with Louisiana roots isn’t a bad thing. It’s actually a really good thing.
Their last 3 recruiting classes
23rd
27th
19th
So they’re leading for one really really good portal guy, and a few other talented guys in the portal. I wouldn’t call that getting everything they go after. Money talks though too though. And if you’ve paid attention Lane has been openly critical of NIL and the lack of regulations. If you know Lane, he’s a slime ball, he knows he can do anything now. He’s making sure the bags are flying.
But going after highly ranked/evaluated/experienced players with Louisiana roots isn’t a bad thing. It’s actually a really good thing.
quote:
How tf is ole Miss getting everything they go after?
Their last 3 recruiting classes
23rd
27th
19th
So they’re leading for one really really good portal guy, and a few other talented guys in the portal. I wouldn’t call that getting everything they go after. Money talks though too though. And if you’ve paid attention Lane has been openly critical of NIL and the lack of regulations. If you know Lane, he’s a slime ball, he knows he can do anything now. He’s making sure the bags are flying.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:51 pm to LSUcajun77
LSU was 7th in 2017 15th in 2018 and 5th in 2019 leading in to the championship year
6th in 2023
12th in 2024 (it looks like)
1st in 2025 maybe (at least top 3 you would think)
6th in 2023
12th in 2024 (it looks like)
1st in 2025 maybe (at least top 3 you would think)
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:57 pm to fOrEvErLsU1987
I said I posted the 3 years prior to their championship. Therefore I didn’t put 2019. I put 16,17,18.
Yea they were 7th, not 6th, and I put 15th in ‘18.
Also I have 23 & 24 on there.
Yea they were 7th, not 6th, and I put 15th in ‘18.
Also I have 23 & 24 on there.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 4:39 pm to catfish 62
Yes. Losing to fricking ole Miss over money is a massive problem, captain obvious.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 5:48 pm to dukesilver72
Show me where we offered the guys they’re picking up, money and how much.
Be patient. Not every kid wants to be at LSU, regardless of money.
You’re acting like we aren’t trying and have no clue what the results will be.
Be patient. Not every kid wants to be at LSU, regardless of money.
You’re acting like we aren’t trying and have no clue what the results will be.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 5:59 pm to LSUcajun77
Good thread. LSU is used to having things come together once every 4-5 years, but if you want the other years not to be 3 and 4 loss seasons, you have to recruit consistently in the top 3-5.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 6:08 pm to dukesilver72
quote:People surprised about this have not paid ANY attention to Kiffin. He's stated this multiple times about paying players and how the transfer portal will be their way to close the gap some. He knows the NIL game for high school is ridiculous along with just knowing that Ole Miss isn't a destination spot for kids out of high school.
I’m puzzled by the portal. Do we only go after kids w/ Louisiana roots? How tf is ole Miss getting everything they go after?
What he/they, are doing is paying transfers the big money instead of wasting time on paying big time recruits. Sure he can go after those high school kids, but he understands what will make Ole Miss good and consistently good.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:07 am to Datbayoubengal
How much did A@M spend for their 7 win seasons.Money
aint going to help OM win .Kiffen better be a guru to
get money grabbers to give a shift.
aint going to help OM win .Kiffen better be a guru to
get money grabbers to give a shift.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:11 am to dukesilver72
quote:
Do we only go after kids w/ Louisiana roots?
Out of 14 transfers last year, 9 were not from Louisiana.
So, no.
But going after players from your state is not a bad strategy. Players transfer for money, playing time or to be closer to home - or some combination of the three.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:27 am to LSUcajun77
quote:
I said I posted the 3 years prior to their championship. Therefore I didn’t put 2019. I put 16,17,18.
Yea they were 7th, not 6th, and I put 15th in ‘18.
Why would you not include the 2019 class, as there were several contributors to the 2019 championship in the 2019 class, namely Stingley and Brooks.
By the time 2019 rolled around more than half (16) of the 2016 recruiting class had already left the program either through transfer or early declaration for the 2018 draft.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:03 am to LSUcajun77
Always worth mentioning that the 2024 number is a commit ranking and not a signing class yet. Don't count anyone in or out of the class until signed.
Based on the noise (mostly from here), I think LSU has a great shot at flipping McKinley and a decent shot at Echols if there's still room. Still in the race for Bussey, but this board and On3 don't seem very optimistic about landing him.
Then you still have some late composite rankings bumps for a ton of LSU commits.
Green should get his 5*
Reliford should see a massive jump if On3s ranking is remotely close
Weston Davis is #20 on On3 and not nationally ranked on 247 so something has to give
Plenty of other commits will have chances to rise based on All-Star practice/game performances. Weeks and Pimpton were 3* recruits at this point last year before finishing in the Top 150.
Based on the noise (mostly from here), I think LSU has a great shot at flipping McKinley and a decent shot at Echols if there's still room. Still in the race for Bussey, but this board and On3 don't seem very optimistic about landing him.
Then you still have some late composite rankings bumps for a ton of LSU commits.
Green should get his 5*
Reliford should see a massive jump if On3s ranking is remotely close
Weston Davis is #20 on On3 and not nationally ranked on 247 so something has to give
Plenty of other commits will have chances to rise based on All-Star practice/game performances. Weeks and Pimpton were 3* recruits at this point last year before finishing in the Top 150.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:26 am to LSUcajun77
quote:
2014 OSU - 5th, 2nd, 6th (10/37/24)
2015 Bama - 1st, 1st, 1st (15/43/20)
2016 Clemson - 16th, 9th, 15th(4/29/29)
2017 Bama - 1st, 1st, 1st (15/44/16)
2018 Clemson - 11th, 16th, 9th (4/30/24)
2019 LSU - 2nd, 15th, 7th (5/42/27)
2020 Bama - 1st, 5th, 1st (11/54/11)
2021 UGA - 1st, 2nd, 1st (15/46/13)
2022 UGA - 4th, 1st, 2nd ( 13/44/14)
2024 LSU Team
2024 - 12th 0/18/9
2023 - 6th 2/16/8
2022 - 12th 1/6/8
Using those numbers:
LSU 2024 has 3/40/25 and an 3-year average class of 10th.
Clemson 2016 had an average class of 13th and Clemson 2018 had an average class of 12th.
Looks like just on the edge of having the players to compete for a championship, but we all know the defense has to get much better. Probably one or two more recruiting cycles away from being there.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:28 am to LSUcajun77
Top 25 in LA not highly ranked. For example Michael Turner about 300 and K. J. Daniels around 600. Most of our guys used to be top 250 with 5 or 6 top 100.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:40 am to NorthEndZone
Agree
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:02 pm to LSUcajun77
quote:
Does Bama recruit well. I mean that made me sick just typing it.
Little Nicky finished #1 10 out of 12 years plus he grabbed the top transfer portal OT, WR, RB, CB, & LB year before last.
This is why he is NOT the GOAT IMO. If he was, he should have won more championships. However he IS the GOAT of recruiting/paying players.
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