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gotiger
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Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a recruit can't figure out where they are going until the 11th hour. Many of these top flight guys are being recruited for 2-3 years by the same schools.

Aside from last minute coaching changes, why in the world does it take them down to the wire to make a decision? By January, most of these guys have had officials and unofficials to all schools they are considering and they have had countless in home/school visits with the coaching staffs.


Bert Macklin FBI
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
Its a decision that could affect the rest of their lives.....

I’m disappointed in Surtain’s decision but I get it. His emotions probably favored the Tigers with the relationship he built with Raymond and his family in the area but his rational mind saw Bama as a better business decision.

I’m not saying I agree with his thought process but I can at least see what he was thinking.


Dave England
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
Recruiting tones and strategies change. When it comes down to brass tacks, it's a completely different thought process. It's also not hard to imagine that his dad, who absolutely knows football, may have asked him which coach he saw himself being more successful under: Saban or Orgeron.


Bert Macklin FBI
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
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brass tacks


Is that how that saying is spelled? I always thought it was “brass tax”

You learn something new everyday


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YungBuck
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
"Who is gonna give me the prettiest car?"(Charger)


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gotiger
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
This post isn't specifically about Surtain. Of course, he is the most recent recruit. But in general every team deals with recruits not making a decision until the last minute.

Why does it take months and sometimes years to make that decision? What is different today than last week or last month if no coaching changes have been made?


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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
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For the life of me, I cannot understand why a recruit can't figure out where they are going until the 11th hour. Many of these top flight guys are being recruited for 2-3 years by the same schools.
I could be wrong here, but I think it's because they're children. Most adults I know wilt under that kind of pressure, so I'm willing to cut a kid a break.


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Bert Macklin FBI
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
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What is different today than last week or last month if no coaching changes have been made?


A deadline.

The difference is that the idea of something might seem better than reality and up against a deadline the flaws show themselves.

For example, many people want to open up their own business and it seems like a great idea. But when push comes to shove, one will see that going off on their own could fail miserably while their current 9-5 is stable.

The idea of coming to LSU seemed great until he (or others) are up against the deadline. Then he could see that we haven’t won 10 games in years and our HC is looking more and more like a joke by the day. In that case, Bama (or another school) looks like a more stable situation.


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Oddibe
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
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For the life of me, I cannot understand why a recruit can't figure out where they are going until the 11th hour. Many of these top flight guys are being recruited for 2-3 years by the same schools.

Aside from last minute coaching changes, why in the world does it take them down to the wire to make a decision? By January, most of these guys have had officials and unofficials to all schools they are considering and they have had countless in home/school visits with the coaching staffs.
ESPN


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ranger350
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
LSU has more players in the NFL so there goes that theory. he wanted the easy road. Tiger bait !


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I20goon
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
I think the decision is made earlier.

However, fear (peers, public pressure, embarrassment, or just plain old hate to deliver bad news) gives self justification to convince themselves they still are undecided.

In some, rarer, cases it is designed to intentionally harm the other.

By the way, those fears aren't limited to just kids or recruits- see it everyday in adults.

"flips", to me, are a result of confirmation bias put on by the flipper. The school who is best at identifying, for lack of a better term, the 'excuse' a recruit is searching for and then brings that to the front gets the flip. As soon as they do that the decision is made. Path of least resistance was provided, they take it at that time. Decision is made then and there. Everything after that is a result of one or more of those fears, or intentional.

For example, Surtain's 'self-justification' was win championships. Not only did Bama likely put that forward as THE 'thing', the probably convinced Surtain not only that Raymond was on his way out, but additionally that Raymond was lying to Surtain about it. They found the pain point and the excuse. Done deal.


mallardhank
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
Someone earlier mentioned peer pressure. You can’t shrug this off for the influence it has on these kids.
This is a fact: a friend had a heart transplant several years ago. At the same time in the same hospital a teen aged kid received a heart. The kid got so much name calling and crap from his school mates that he quit taking his meds. You know what happened after that.


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redbean5
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
It makes no difference, the recruits know where they are going some just are enjoying the limelight. I don’t believe they change their minds in the 11th hour. I believe they silently commit to a coach and the coach tells them to keep it silent until the last minute possible. In the case of Surtain he knew for a while he was going to play for Saban as well as Goodrich playing for Dabo. Their post comments about why choosing I take with a grain of salt being truely honest. They say the easy thing and move on.


tigerbacon
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Arkansas
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
18 year olds. When I was 18 and picking a college, it came down to final day to send in money for the dorms. I went back and forth everyday for month


redbean5
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Member since Jan 2008
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
Difference is you are not a high profile recruit who does not have to worry about those type of things. They show up to play ball and the rest is taken care of by the school.


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jgawron
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Mukwonago, Wisconsin
Member since Jul 2016
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
I live here in Wisconsin now as a LSU Grad....They can't get 5* or 4* players and they finish 8th in recruiting in the Big 10....They tell me just give us 5 4* players...We complain but at least we are now in the Top 15 year in and year out...As far as 18 year olds...Come on guys as a Father raising kids the minds of teenagers are challenging to say the least...Drama, etc..boyfriends, girlfriends, etc. why are you surprised by this...


LSUGoo
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
Saban is an exceptional leader at maintaining focus and attention to detail..as for coaching a specific position, that is left to coordinators and position coaches...with that I'll take Aranda and Raymond


jgawron
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Mukwonago, Wisconsin
Member since Jul 2016
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
now you have Aranda gead assistant from Wisconsin...Coach O needs to make this happen...I like O but Aranda does speak very well


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tigerskin
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
Some just want to put off making a final decision until they have to.

Some lie that they just made their mind up.


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Goldrush25
Washington Fan
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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re: Someone enlighten me on a Recruits thought process
Can you understand that kids don't want to disappoint anyone? I think Surtain Sr said something to the effect of PS2 can't be worried about hurting anyone's feelings, so I'm guessing that was why he was having some hesitation.

PS2 knew where he wanted to go, but obviously he had a hard time actually breaking it to Raymond.

I know it's more palatable to think that he was an evil fricker looking to screw over LSU so have at it.
This post was edited on 2/9 at 7:35 pm


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