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Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by Tigerbait357
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:18 pm to
The beam lineup in general across the board was not consistent last year. So I’m not gonna assign individual blame.

Desiderio though was solid during the regular season but was very shaky the entire post season for some reason. The scoring on the 2nd day of regionals on beam should have a giant asterisk all around, the scores were not indicative of the performances across the board for all teams.

When choosing lineups next year, experience shouldn’t matter, they need to put the best routines out there. They also need to step in and address the faults in some of the routine construction. While the gymnasts weren’t executing at times, the coaches didn’t exactly help either.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:38 pm to
I agree - also, did anyone ever find out why they added the press handstand mount back in for Campbell? I love press handstands, but thought it was an odd move for the end of season.
Posted by TigerFan112
Member since Feb 2017
909 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 1:04 pm to
I’m not surprised about Sami and Sarah. Having Sami on bars and Sarah on vault will be great (if only Sarah could start sticking her beautiful vault at least some of the time!). I agree with whoever suggested that Bridget would be a good lead off on beam. She has demonstrated some ice in her veins this season, so her experience will be valuable, even if her scores top out around 9.90. Due to her physical issues, I’m very surprised that Reagan is returning, and I’m not sure if she can make the beam lineup with who we have returning and the freshmen coming in. Christina is a bit of a surprise. I know she has fought injuries, and I thought she was ready to move on with her life and her bf, since he’s not in BR anymore. But who knows? . She used to be pretty public about their relationship on SM, and that’s not the case as much lately.
Posted by khill715
Sterlington
Member since May 2019
988 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 3:57 pm to
So I SM stalked (I know, I know) and I can't tell if they are together anymore. From her stuff it looks like yea, but from his no. I think he has a house in LA though.

On Reagan, I thought someone said she was having back surgery this fall. Is this not happening anymore?
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7104 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:55 pm to
I really dont understand any negativity with the Seniors coming back. THIS IS A POSITIVE. Competition breeds excellence. Depth is valuable. The coaches are going to use the best gymnast. Everybody has this worry about them taking spots but the majority of scoring this year was done by Freshman and Sophomores so yall not making any sense.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 5:56 pm
Posted by GeaauuxxFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
1353 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:20 pm to
I think I’m scarred because Dunne never made a beam lineup last year. That is just unbelievable to me.
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
794 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:40 pm to
She got covid on the fall and spent the entire year recovery from an ankle injury that happened in mid/the beginning of January. After that, Jay probably wanted to protect her injury and make sure she just stayed solid on the one event so she could continue to improve, be consistent and contribute where we needed her there. I expect her to make the beam lineup or push to try to get into it next year though
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69859 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:51 pm to
quote:

I really dont understand any negativity with the Seniors coming back. THIS IS A POSITIVE. Competition breeds excellence. Depth is valuable. The coaches are going to use the best gymnast. Everybody has this worry about them taking spots but the majority of scoring this year was done by Freshman and Sophomores so yall not making any sense.



I'm happy the seniors are coming back. Team chemistry is a good thing and depth can't ever be a bad thing.

I think some get nervous about pre perceived lineups after Jay made some comments about not removing particular routines from a lineup due to experience in one of his pressers. I don't like the mindset of not wanting to improve or upgrade routines strictly on the basis of someone is more experienced, that said some kids were coming off injuries so maybe that played a role.

I think it will all work itself out next year in terms of the best lineups being out there. I just hope they address our skill selection, which is far and away my biggest concern.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 6:55 pm
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:09 pm to
Yes, exactly this. If it really helps all the girls get better and only the truly best routines make lineups, theb I am good with it - if we don’t make any changes, primarily to the beam lineup, and leave some floor routines in that have been less consistent over the years in favor of the 5 year seniors merely due to seniority, then that’s a problem. That being said D’antonio is the only true senior next year so this could be really good from a leadership perspective as long as we see lineups improve.
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
794 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:32 pm to
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That being said D’antonio is the only true senior next year so this could be really good from a leadership perspective as long as we see lineups improve.


Speaking of her being the only senior, I hope that Jay gives her the opportunity to compete beam at least once this season, even if it’s just on senior night. The one exhibition routine she did last year at Oregon State was better than some of the beam routines I saw from the girls this year and would love to get to see her compete at least once before she graduates. With that being said I doubt that will happen, but I’m remaining hopeful
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:37 pm to
And that wasn’t a knock on Rebecca - more just the class is so small it can be hard to transition to true leadership - I know she’s a favorite on the team! I hope she’ll get to compete at least once as well!
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69859 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:53 pm to
I know vault is the least of our concerns but just want to talk about next years squad

-Edwards (1.5)
-Alyona(1.5)
-Bryant (Front Pike 1/2)
-Kiya (DTY)
-Ryan (1.5)

I am curious what they do with the freshmen class who are all strong vaulters. LSU realistically should have six 10.0 vaults next year. Aleah does a double in elite but I anticipate a 1.5 when she comes down later on this year.

Tatum had been doing a 1.5 vault the last few years. K. Johnson is a big powerful vaulter like Kai who can easily upgrade if she wants. It may be a bit much to ask Kai to upgrade coming off her injury but its something to watch.

Competition here will be exciting

Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
794 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:32 pm to
Kaytlyn competed a double twist until recently. If she’s fully healthy, I think she might prefer to do the harder vault, especially if it’s more consistent for her and if it means she sees the lineups more often than she would if she did a full. If Bob and Jay are smart about next year and learned anything from Michigan this year and OU in 2019, they’ll tell the girls that only consistent 10.0 start value vaults are making lineups next year, no matter how great the fulls may be, since they tend to get scored higher by the judges
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69859 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 10:07 pm to
That would be wild to have TWO DTY's in a lineup with Bryant's vault. Would there ever have been such level of difficulty in a vault lineup in NCAA?
Posted by Twz
Member since Dec 2018
467 posts
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:07 pm to
Random question but what will the super seniors be doing next year in terms of classes..will they be getting masters? I know Sarah still has her undergrad to finish but the others graduated today
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
794 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:09 am to
I expect Finnegan to do the 1.5 rather than a double full but she gets so much power on the double that if she can’t control the blind landing, she may decide to go back up to the double twist. In which case, our lineup could have HB’s front pike half, 3 DTY’s and two 1.5s which is absolutely INSANE
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:43 am to
That vault lineup would be crazy...but championships are not won on vault alone (though such a lineup will be a tremendous help). I think bars should improve with the talent coming In (At least removing the uncertainty in the Brock/dean spot). Beam is really going to be the deciding factor. I hope gnat can do some good with that lineup this offseason - anyone know if Michigan had multiple routines with rotating leaps (we had 5 of 6, I think, all but dean). My guess is they had one, probably two - though I’ll need to go back and check.
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
794 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:36 am to
They had two (not counting a straddle quarter). One of theirs was a switch half into a split jump and the other was a standing split jump into a straddle half. We had Kiya, Christina and Reagan doing rotating leaps. Haleigh and Sami both do a switch leap to straddle quarter. In addition to that we have Dunne, D’Antonio and Ballard all training rotating leaps
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 1:38 am
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:24 am to
The thing is, I don’t think any rotating leaps are necessary, to get to the 10 start value based on the other components of routines we have (I could be wrong there - but don’t know otherwise know how Florida (and others) get through with so few). So at the very least down grade Christina’s routine next year if we assume she is making the beam lineup - and honestly everyone else’s too, especially Sami (know it’s only a quarter and wasn’t her most problematic element this year, but we have to assume she’ll keep training and we may have to assume jay will lean on that “experience”, so let’s just get ahead of it) I think regean and kiya can do the hard skills more competently but they have to not have the weight of the world on them at the End of the lineup - this year, almost to every meet; There was a lineup hole - in early season we got to kiya with a good lineup, but then she messed up and threw Reagan off; later in the season it was one of the earlier competitors (in the post season most notably desiderio and schennikova, and prior to that Durante) I do give shchennikova more of a pass than desiderio given desiderios experience that Jay is so fond of.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69859 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:07 am to
I think rotating leaps in general should only be used in special cases or for specific athletes. Very few kids in NCAA can do it without deduction.

If you aren't hitting the 180 split position or constantly having checks with it, it probably should not be in the routine. Campbell is the only one I would be okay with doing it. Desiderio should probably scrap it, she is generally short on the split position. Kiya, she often had some type of check on the switch half, and actually came off the beam twice this year on that skill. Dunne from the routines I did see her do was short on the switch half as well, I hope they change that.

As much as I dislike Florida, their beam composition and structure it superb. Wish we would take note and try not to obtain all our difficulty from the leap portion. Their difficulty comes from everything other than the leaps.
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