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Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by Twz
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:49 pm to
Wow per Spencer auburn unlikely to hold on to a spot in the evening session at SECs.

Also did you all see the backlash Florida is getting? Such a wimpy move by Jenny to rest top athletes this week instead of next week at a D2 school, before SECs.
Posted by khill715
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:57 pm to
I think it was smart of Jenny to rest her athletes. That meet didn’t make a bit of difference in post season and Kayla probably needed a rest along with trinity. I think it’s kinda crappy for suni to decide to rest on all their away meets because she’s practicing for nationals and worlds. The away scores mean more at this point than the home scores and their last 2 Away scores have sub 197. The suni scoring is real yall!
Posted by lsugymfann
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 4:31 pm to
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I think it was smart of Jenny to rest her athletes. That meet didn’t make a bit of difference in post season and Kayla probably needed a rest along with trinity.


The issue isn’t that Jenny is resting her athletes. The issue is what meet she chose to rest her athletes at (Number one team in the country who brought their A team lineups and who Florida likely will face again at nationals vs next week against a d2 team where they know they’ll win so it makes more sense to make the lineup swaps then). She also could’ve chosen to rest them at various other meets throughout the season this far (one at a time) given the depth on that team being in an abundance.

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I think it’s kinda crappy for suni to decide to rest on all their away meets because she’s practicing for nationals and worlds. The away scores mean more at this point than the home scores and their last 2 Away scores have sub 197.

Suni didn’t choose to rest from last night’s meet. It was her intention to compete I believe, up until she found herself in a car accident on Wednesday/Thursday and the meet got postponed a day. That’s why she rested against kentucky. It had nothing to do with the Olympics/Nationals/Worlds
Posted by BigB0882
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:03 pm to
I don’t see why it matters when Jenny decided to rest her athletes. Yeah, you would think Florida would want to put their best forward against the #1 team in the country. However, how do we know she won’t rest them AGAIN next week and really give them a nice break? Also, she has the narrative of losing to Oklahoma by less than 3 tenths with her biggest scorers out of the lineups. Trinity alone could have been the difference in that meet. A good coach will use this to their advantage and inspire the team going into postseason.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 5:06 pm
Posted by lsugymfann
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:14 pm to
Resting your athletes against tougher teams doesn’t benefit them at all when post season comes around. As someone who has competed at an international elite level in track and field and now coaches the sport, I can tell you from experience that the only time I was ever at my best as an athlete is when I competed against people who were at my level or better than me and pushed me to be even better, both at practice and competition. It also made me mentally stronger and ready to perform at a higher level because the expectation and standard that I as a competitor needed to reach to be successful, increased significantly. This is something that athletes everywhere understand is that competition breeds success. If you walk into a competition expecting to compete against the best, and you don’t get that, mentally it takes a lot out of you and you have a tendency to underperform, as OU ended up doing last night. Had Florida brought their A game last night in the same way OU did, I think both teams would’ve competed harder. Even if one team ended up having an off day in the end, at least you’re having an off day putting out your best effort going against the best of the best rather than having an off day putting out a mediocre effort against the best of the best or having an off day putting out your best effort against a team that didn’t being their A game in the day way you did. Does that make sense?
Posted by Tigerbait357
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:21 pm to
Resting athletes isn't a bad thing. A good coach is smart enough to pace their gymnasts over the season to prevent burnout, allow athletes to heal up and prevent further aggravation of injury

It is a little odd to see though in a meet of 1 vs 2 to see kids getting rested without injury considering the next meet is against a bunch of weaker teams.

Florida is already pretty set RQS wise for a top seed but its still weird to see. Takes the excitement out of a 1 vs 2 matchup though.

But Florida's lineups have been bizarre all year to me, not just that particular meet.
Posted by khill715
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:28 pm to
They said on the meet she was resting for nationals and worlds. She was in a wreck with sara Hubbard but she competed today.
I think Jenny will rest leann some next weekend and maybe Sloan. They said the athletes said last night that it was all about the post this season. If it doesn’t bother the girls it shouldnt bother fans. I would be more bothered by if I was an auburn fan. Oh well. If I was Florida I would be a little worried about next season. Just think if leann or Kayla were to get hurt(not wishing this!) that’s almost minus 40 points and they are already going to really miss trinity. Morgan and Riley really don’t seem to be coming along the way everyone thought. Sloan is great but will always get deducted for from issues. I guess they can hope Sav will come back. I just don’t think they are as deep as everyone believes.
Posted by lsugymfann
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:55 pm to
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Resting athletes isn't a bad thing. A good coach is smart enough to pace their gymnasts over the season to prevent burnout, allow athletes to heal up and prevent further aggravation of injury


If you reread both of my responses, I stated throughout that my issue isn't about her resting her athletes. It was about WHEN aka what meet she chose to rest her athletes in (against the number one team in the country rather than next week against 2 weaker teams or having them alternate who is being rested on any given week so that they all get the rest they need to prevent burnout without sacrificing a higher away score at OU). Florida could've easily stepped into that arena, wiped the floor with OU and walked away with the win, their highest away score which would've boosted them in the rankings, potentially up to #1, but instead basically brought in their B team to compete against OU (girls who most likely won't be in a single meet come post season) and in a way cheated their best gymnasts out of another opportunity to be mentally ready for a post season competition, which was one of the biggest points of this meet. Yes, our team hasn't had the opportunity to rest Haleigh or Aleah in the way we have wanted to because of our injury count this season, but knowing the way Jay has operated in the past, if we had the numbers, I'm sure he would opt to rest them both next week against WVU, but we simply just don't have the bodies for it. That's why I'm upset about Jenny's lineup choices for last night.

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I think Jenny will rest leann some next weekend and maybe Sloan. They said the athletes said last night that it was all about the post this season. If it doesn’t bother the girls it shouldnt bother fans. I would be more bothered by if I was an auburn fan. Oh well. If I was Florida I would be a little worried about next season. Just think if leann or Kayla were to get hurt(not wishing this!) that’s almost minus 40 points and they are already going to really miss trinity. Morgan and Riley really don’t seem to be coming along the way everyone thought. Sloan is great but will always get deducted for from issues. I guess they can hope Sav will come back. I just don’t think they are as deep as everyone believes.


I think the whole "If it doesn’t bother the girls it shouldnt bother fans" ideology, in my opinion, is absolute bullshite because it basically silences fans and limits their ability to have an opinion on anything, which they're permitted to have and express as they so choose, as I have. Sav won't come back next year I don't think. Her girlfriend isn't taking a fifth year and it seems like she is ready to be done and move on from gymnastics. As for Riley and Morgan, considering their history of injuries, I think they've done pretty well for themselves this year at least and Jenny is pacing them so they can compete at full strength by the time they're seniors. I think Florida will still be a strong team next year, even without Trinity, because of how well Jenny knows the code of points and has prioritized (in the words of the movie Stick it) "Clean, safe routines guaranteed to stick" aka 2 pass routines, over more difficult and 3 pass routines. Also because it's Florida, unless something goes REALLY wrong in Sloane's routine, I doubt she will ever fully get deducted the way she should for her form issues.
Posted by khill715
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:18 pm to
I think Florida’s problem I’m the post has been mental (like ours) but unlike ours I think they get a little shocked at the scores they get in the post season vs regular season. I’ve seen Sloan get hit pretty hard in the away meets sometimes and for some reason she just can’t figure out floor. Kj is the same with her routine construction but in my opinion their floor routines are so boring. And some of the girls don’t even have e passes. I just hope the judges reward difficulty in the post season or your going to totally water down college gym and make every routine look the same. It’s already going that way with bars and vault. I really love mizzous variety even though Shannon gives me the creeps! Lol
Posted by lsutiger2
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 9:54 pm to
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It’s already going that way with bars and vault.

Good point. It doesnt matter what team I am watching every single bars routine looks the same. Vault too but the height that some gymnasts get make the difference. LSU is really good and talented at vault(we soar) from what I have seen this year.
Posted by khill715
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:14 pm to
I’m really hoping that now that we know we can afford to, we rest hayleigh, at least on some events this weekend.
Posted by Twz
Member since Dec 2018
467 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 11:03 am to
That would be great if we can rest her on beam and floor

Btw I think Bryant has a really shot at SEC gymnast of the year. She is right behind Trinity as the second best all-a rounder in SEC, could potentially pass her if she does all around this week, and everyone knows how much she’s stepped up this year. I don’t know how the process is decided but if it’s a vote by coaches I could see it going to Bryant. There is some precedence in other conferences for the best gymnast award to not necessarily go to the top all arounder by score only, and coaches may be tired of Trinity winning all the things.
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 6:40 pm to
I would love for this to happen, but I think the chance of it not being Trinity are slim to none - unless, did she win it last year (I can’t recall who did)? If she won it last year it may be that they wouldn’t want her to get it twice in a row.
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
882 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:49 pm to
Week 9 Standings are out. We stayed at #6. Michigan is #2. It would be great if we could get a 198.0 or 198+ so LSU can use a 198 in the NQS next week. Utah and UCLA (in front of us) will be hard to overcome. They have so many high scores.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69837 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:55 pm to
Its wild to me that I think 8? teams have now scored over a 198 this year


Maybe they will have an intervention this offseason to address the out of control judging.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 8:27 pm
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5381 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:03 pm to
What makes you think this season is finally the time for the intervention? I don’t feel like much has been different this season than the last 5 or so. An intervention is well past due. I think the only thing that will bring scoring under control is to require more difficult for the 10 start values. I know that a ton of people are against that but it is clear as day that the judges aren’t going to take the smaller deductions. I say up the difficulty needed (like they already did on vault) and let teams decide to go clean for less or risk it for more. Oklahoma is doing the absolute least difficulty for the highest reward. Guess where they do have difficulty…vault. Because the code forces them to choose. Florida is doing all 2 pass floor routines. That’s laughable. LSU has gymnasts doing 3 pass routines and one has 2 E passes. She can’t outscore 2 pass routines without an E pass.
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
882 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:29 pm to
Did you see where Michigan State has been on the rise and touted to possibly upset a higher ranking team at Regionals? They are now in the top 10 after 'two tens" this weekend and finished with a 198.225. This has been a high scoring season across all conferences.
Four on the floor at Nationals really isn't a fit with so many teams with high scores. Something needs to change in scoring or routine requirements to hold teams to a standard. I am already seeing on Social Media for the NCAA to allow more teams to compete for the Natty title. I realize the TV network and time factor was the reason the Super Six was done away with a few years ago but it would be great to see its return or something comparable.
Posted by lsutiger2
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:13 am to
It’s funny, a few weeks ago I was complaining with posters on here that gymnastics is not going in the right direction with vanilla easy routines being scored just the same as harder more difficult routines. It’s obviously getting worse with more teams going with the “Oklahoma way”. Yet a lot of posters on here want Jay to adopt this philosophy. Which is fine but no doubt it’s making the sport hard to watch. Something needs to be done.
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
882 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:42 am to
This is an interesting take on teams making it to the Natty.



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"Utah has no shot. Vault is dead without Grace and Lucy, and they are consistently overscored at home on bars and beam.

UCLA, on the other hand…could make a real run if they get Moors back in on vault or can get Wren clean.

Michigan is overrated. They had basically a fairytale meet to win Nationals but haven’t been consistent since and have never gotten that vault lineup back. Beam will likely be their undoing again.

Auburn won’t even make the top eight. They’ve also been overscored this year and performers like Groth and Brusch have not shined like they have in the past. Ex- Suni the team looks weak.

LSU has a shot if they keep Bryant healthy. Imo they should have been using Brock, Jeffrey, etc. more earlier in the season and prevented injuries from some of the stars.

Missouri and Kentucky both have a real shot to take a spot from someone like Auburn, especially on a good vault day. They are underscored at home and have been getting better all season.

Of the potential surprise outperformers - MSU feels most likely followed by Ohio State and Oregon State. I actually feel both MSU and Oregon have been overscored at home this season, particularly Oregon.

Cal will likely be right in the mix again, but I don’t think they’ll make top four. This is a team that seems to max out around 197.5 even with a great bars rotation.

Florida is a question mark for me. Oklahoma feels most likely to win it as they are much more consistent, but on a GREAT day with all the stars performing at their peak it could happen for Florida."
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:47 am to
Little surprised on that Michigan take they can be damn good….

In reality it’s about hitting when it counts the most. LSU has been highly resilient all year. The injuries limit their overall ceiling score wise but they are good enough to make national semi finals to compete for a spot on four on the floor

I’ll be interested to see how we do at SECs. Generally in a post season setting like that it can be a good indicator of what’s to come in regionals and beyond
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 7:48 am
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