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coondaddy21
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Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
This question goes out to all those behind the keyboard who have been recruited for a sport or those parents who have had kids that were highly recruited. This question can be for past LSU recruits, players or anyone who has attended a university on a athletic scholarship.

How was your recruiting process? Was upfront honesty more appealing? With the new signing period and changing landscape of recruiting, how do you think Coach O is doing it?

My Story:

I was a baseball player in the late 80's that played HS ball. I had some BB skills but was young and didn't know what I didn't know. I ended up playing JUCO ball on a full scholarship. That recruiting process consisted of a tryout camp and then a scholarship offer. Once I was into my sophomore year, I began to get a lot more interest from 4 year universities. This is where the honesty part comes in. I was recruited by North Alabama, a D1 school who, at the time, had a pretty good Baseball program and coach. On my recruiting visit, he brought me into a room and showed me his recruiting board. He explained to me their interest in me but that their interest came after about 4 other Outfielders told them "NO". This coach was somewhat arrogant but I appreciated his honesty. This school wasn't my first choice and I obviously wasn't theirs at that time. He explained that they wanted to get someone down to watch me more closely. About two weeks later, one of their assistants came down and it was a game where I went 4 for 4, stole 3 bases and had one of my better times running to 1st. My biggest asset was my speed. Later that night, I got a call from the coach and he offered me a scholarship that night. I can only guess that I may have moved up on their board after seeing me play in person.

I ended up turning down his offer and decided to attend a NAIA school with a better education opportunity. That coach, when he recruited me, never let me know where I was on their list. He basically just offered me a scholarship. He even drove from central Alabama down to Louisiana, one weekend, to meet my parents and try to convince me to attend his university.

I am not sure how coach O does it but to have an opportunity to play at LSU would have been a dream come true for me back in the day. I believe, with the new signing period, I would have this list of recruits, be up front and honest with where they are on your board. Some recruits might be turned off by thinking that they are not seen as the best option for LSU and some might see it as a motivation. I would explain how many players we plan to take at said position, then based on how they are graded, offer the scholarships. There may be some recruits worth waiting on but the margin for error can't be that great. For example, we got Phillips and Jamal Adams after losing our first priorities. On the flip side, we lost out on Etienne by waiting for Akers.

What says the RB? Take the ones on your list if they want in early, no matter where they fall on the priority list?
This post was edited on 8/11 at 9:30 am


nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
This is not an entirely crazy idea.
Clemson and Alabama have discussed experimenting with this “honesty” concept.


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Drizzt
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Member since Aug 2013
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
I think this depends on the recruits personality a bit how effective this approach would be. You will definitely see some narcissistic injury from guys who have been coddled and told they are the chosen one their whole life...but maybe it’s not bad to run some of those guys off.


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Ironhead985
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
quote:

coondaddy21
You should post more.


SeanLSU
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Member since May 2019
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
Good post, OP.

I tend to believe that honesty is ultimately the best choice in pretty much every situation always. That doesn't mean you have to offer up more information than is necessary in every situation, but I think that giving recruits and their families an idea of how you see their college career playing out is fair. These kids all follow the recruiting game with all the services and skills camps and know where the "industry" at large ranks them in comparison to others in their class. Coaches can share their personal evaluation of a player that makes guys feel more desired by one staff or another, but to flatly lie to them and tell a low 4* you see him starting early over a 5* you're also recruiting seems counterproductive.

Several recruits that have commented on their selection of LSU in the past few years have commented that their lead recruiter was very honest with them and told it like it was. I think it's definitely seen as a positive by LSU. I have heard similar comments about recruiting from players who chose A&M under Sumlin, Mississippi State under Moorehead, Michigan under Harbaugh, Oklahoma under Stoops, and several other schools. I only recall hearing recruits at Alabama visits commenting on Nick Saban showing them the rings. I guess you use what works, right?


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BigSlick
Member since Jan 2013
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
I never played college - or high school - sports so was never recruited. That said, I think coaches have to realize they have to be honest. If not, bad reputations will eventually catch up with them.

Posters are constantly writing about "processing" recruits but I wonder how much of that actually goes on. It's one thing to tell a recruit he's in whenever he wants, no matter who else is already there or whether the class is already at the limit. It's another to say "You're probably going to get in, but maybe not if we get a player we like better. If you want to commit, go ahead, but there are strings attached." So, maybe players who get "processed" were never really in at all. Just a thought.


20 ton
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BR
Member since Aug 2013
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
Honesty is always best in the long run. You will lose some but being found dishonest later is always worse. “Processing “ a player that honestly knew the score will bring less bitterness and problems.

To the OP. What was your selection of NAIA over N Ala based on. Hurt feelings of being number five. Better education. Arrogant coach. Combination of all those and more?


Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
I think it’s rare coaches actually lie, however they’re artistic at telling half truths or assumptions not presented as fact but a possibility... example “we’ll be careful if you go to LSU because Corey Raymond is probably going to leave soon”


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coondaddy21
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Member since Oct 2012
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re: Recruiting tactics, is honesty the best way to do it?
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To the OP. What was your selection of NAIA over N Ala based on. Hurt feelings of being number five. Better education. Arrogant coach. Combination of all those and more?




The North Alabama coach at the time was Mike Lane. When I asked him if they honored their scholarships if I got injured for whatever reason, his response was "my stance is, if you play, you get paid". That meant to me that if I got hurt they wouldn't honor my scholarship. That was on my initial visit, prior to them coming down to watch me play.

Getting recruited in those days was a lot different than the internet era of today. Coaches would contact other coaches to see if they had any players capable of playing D1. At that point, they would start recruiting you and would have to make time to watch you play, they couldn't just watch a video over the internet.

I really liked what BSC was selling. The coach felt like an extended father to me and with me being so far away from home, It just felt like home. The education was also way superior at BSC. 95% of their professors had their PHD's. I was interested in the medical field and all of their graduates who applied to medical school, got in
This post was edited on 8/12 at 8:34 pm


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