- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Offensive Line?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 12/7/17 at 10:01 am
It looks like we have 1 OT and 1 OG committed.
Is LSU the leader for anyone else in this class? The OL seems to be a position of need because of the low numbers on scholarship.
Is LSU the leader for anyone else in this class? The OL seems to be a position of need because of the low numbers on scholarship.
1
Posted on 12/7/17 at 10:04 am to KLSU
Cole Smith, Damien Lewis, and Cameron Wire...so three.
Probably getting the top JUCO OT in Traore so that's 4.
Hoping Grimes gets his late suprise for 5, but 4 wouldn't be a bad number on OL this cycle.
Probably getting the top JUCO OT in Traore so that's 4.
Hoping Grimes gets his late suprise for 5, but 4 wouldn't be a bad number on OL this cycle.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 10:07 am to Brageous
quote:
Cole Smith, Damien Lewis, and Cameron Wire...so three.
Probably getting the top JUCO OT in Traore so that's 4.
Hoping Grimes gets his late suprise for 5, but 4 wouldn't be a bad number on OL this cycle.
Yep. This. Those will likely be the 4 OL we get, unless we get a huge surprise, or if they decide to switch Rosenthal to OL, which I do not expect but wouldn't surprise me.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 10:20 am to Brageous
quote:
Hoping Grimes gets his late suprise for 5, but 4 wouldn't be a bad number on OL this cycle.
The maximum number of guys we will lose this year is 4. Malone, obviously being the lone senior, and Clapp, Brumfield and Weathersby with NFL draft decisions. I don't think there's any way we lose all three, though. So signing 4 should get us at least one more scholarship lineman than we had last year. I think we're ok at that position with 4. 5 would be better, but I wouldn't want to just take a borderline guy just because he's OL over some of the elite targets we have at other positions.
I think the panic about next year's offensive line subsided considerably since the beginning of the season as we saw development from Ingram and Charles. But I do think we really need to get Traore, because we need a game ready tackle that can compete for a starting job and help with depth at that position.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:05 am to whitefoot
Grimes has to do a better job of recruiting and retaining linemen or he needs to go.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:10 am to OU812
quote:
Grimes has to do a better job of recruiting and retaining linemen or he needs to go.
Eliminating Miles from the equation was the key.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:10 pm to Le Tenia
quote:Personally, within the rhealm of OL only, I'm not sure of that... yet.
quote:
Grimes has to do a better job of recruiting and retaining linemen or he needs to go.
Eliminating Miles from the equation was the key.
Don't have enough info yet to say Miles wasn't propping him up, or holding him back.
Right now I'm leaning towards Miles was propping Grimes up.
He might not have been propping him up spectacularly, but believe me the OL can get worse. I think how OL recruiting this year plays out will decide it for me. There is no doubt what we need to do. We are 1.5 cycles removed from Miles. He had 3.5 cycles with Miles. So we shall see.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:18 pm to I20goon
I don't think Grimes is a bad recruiter, it's just the opposite for me as I think he is a good recruiter, I just think he's not a good coach. LSU OLineman are beaten like drums sometimes by opposing teams DLinemen, and their technique just looks awful at times with regards to hand placement and all. When they go up against Bama every season except maybe for this season because Bama was really bad this year by their standards, they are just soundly beaten and manhandled.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:27 pm to tubucoco
quote:You basically put into words my opinion, as it stands now, of Grimes.
I don't think Grimes is a bad recruiter, it's just the opposite for me as I think he is a good recruiter, I just think he's not a good coach. LSU OLineman are beaten like drums sometimes by opposing teams DLinemen, and their technique just looks awful at times
Above avg recruiter, IF he has some supervision. If left to his own devices he tends to stray away from the set strategy. Sometimes he sees too many diamonds in the rough and believes too much in his ability to coach them up, because...
...I think he's avg, maybe below avg slightly on teaching fundamentals and technique. Individual development is too slow.
Add to that I sincerely believe he's horrible at doing the "other coaching duties", at top of the list of those duties is getting his squad in the weight room or field in the offseason with set goals and regimes. In short, the offseason seems like it's vacation to him. When you're talking about OL and DL... that's where the season is won.
Grimes is not horrible, not even bad. I think he's far below what we normally need. With the position we're in right now, he's way off from what we need. We're playing catch up and trying to get JUCO and freshmen up to SEC schedule standards. He's not even close to that. If we were maintaining an established pipeline with room for projects and extra time for development, he'd be good for the job. That's not us, not right now.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:24 pm to tubucoco
The fact that Charles and Ingram played as well as they did this year leads me to believe Grimes isn't getting enough credit on development. He's been spotty in this aspect, but he did a damn good job this year considering how much got shuffled from last year. To me the key is getting more bodies ready and having more depth, which then reverts back to recruiting. We have had some attrition and some guys just not develop. He's taken chances on a few projects that hasn't worked out so it has put him in the predicament like this year. Seems like Ed O is huge on getting the trenches won again so that may help.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:34 pm to Brageous
I want 5 or 6!!!
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:38 pm to Brageous
quote:
Probably getting the top JUCO OT in Traore so that's 4. Hoping Grimes gets his late suprise for 5, but 4 wouldn't be a bad number on OL this cycle.
Yeah - Traore is a double edged sword - demonstrated, proven potential, at the very key position of need - close that one (which I now expect) and that's a 2-year starter while we work on other projects. I think Deculus will look a lot better next year after playing a year. There is a lot to young kids having time to gain weight and get stronger, but, personally, if a kid is "big enough" and we need him to play, nothing is better than playing experience for improvement.
4 would put us at a C - as far as numbers. Can live with it, but 5 would be a solid B or B+ numbers-wise. I know it's crazy to say take 6 OL, but we're that desperate.
I would say we will need 4 or 5 this year and 4 or 5 next year - IF (big word) we don't have attrition or a lot of busts in that group, 2019 will like light years better than 2017 did, depth wise and pass blocking (:fingerscrossed:).
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:48 pm to Brageous
Idk, man, I personally think that Charles and Ingram are exceptional youngsters that will be really good in their LSU careers and it was more of their natural ability this season than anything Grimes taught them. I mean Deculus was rated higher than them I think , but didn't really wow anyone this season as well as Savage and Cushenberry. I can be wrong of course, it's just from what I've observed since Grimes has been there I don't see where his coaching has been the difference. Pocic was a highly rated OLineman when he was at LSU, but his play was uneven or up and down however you wanna describe it while at LSU. Now that he's in the NFL, I think he's improved drastically .
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:17 pm to Le Tenia
Really? Cause we sorta looked like shite half the year.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:27 pm to I20goon
quote:
Add to that I sincerely believe he's horrible at doing the "other coaching duties", at top of the list of those duties is getting his squad in the weight room or field in the offseason with set goals and regimes
This makes the rest of your post unbelievable. You should have done a separate one for "made up shite".
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:31 pm to Brageous
quote:
Cole Smith, Damien Lewis, and Cameron Wire...so three
Hasn't Chasen Hines said he was going to play O-line in college instead of being a DT?
Never mind, just saw that he is going to play DT instead of O-line.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 5:00 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:That's fine. I'm not going to tell you what to believe. And there's no burden of proof here... on either one of us. So feel free to discard the information as invalid and move on.
This makes the rest of your post unbelievable. You should have done a separate one for "made up shite".
Posted on 12/7/17 at 5:17 pm to OU812
See 2019 class
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:00 pm to SammyTiger
Sammy baby, the entire team looked like shite out of the gates. I assume that the half you're referring to was the first half. It was depth issue and once that was no longer an issue things changed.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:08 pm to I20goon
quote:
Right now I'm leaning towards Miles was propping Grimes up
5 hours later, how are you leaning now?
Miles had his hands all over the OL. Grimes is doing work. The rotation worked itself out this year, the freshmen were coached up and the recruiting has picked up the last 1.5 cycles.
Page 1 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News