re: Nice article about Matt Derenbecker from Times-Pic

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Derenbecker is only 6'6" according to my friend that coaches at CD so its not like its that far off as far as body type

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Tell that to the tape measure that said 6'7" last July at the I-10 Elite Camp in Baton Rouge.

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And i only compared him to Scheyer because someone said Singler. And i stayed with the Duke theme.

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Always knew you were a follower and not a leader and too small minded to think of a good comparison.

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As for Hummel, Derenbecker's handles are better than Hummel's. And he is better at getting to the rim. And he is more athletic.

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How are his handle's better than Hummel's? Back up your statement please. Derenbecker has adequate enough handles for the level he is at now, in the big time travel ball circuit in the summer times, his handles are nothing spectactular but decent. Same as Hummel, they are decent but good enough to beat a player off the dribble because of having a high b-ball IQ. More Athletic? Both can run the floor and dunk. Not freak athletes by no stretch, as athletic as Hummel, yes! More athletic than Hummel, not so much.

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Tell that to the tape measure that said 6'7" last July at the I-10 Elite Camp in Baton Rouge.

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maybe he has grown, the coach said he was 6'6" when i last talked to him, or measured in shoes. I dont know

and u want to slam me for being off an inch or 2 when comparing Scheyer and MD, and Hummel is taller than Derenbecker?? Yeah, that makes sense.

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Always knew you were a follower and not a leader and too small minded to think of a good comparison.

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ive thrown out many comparisons of this kid over the last few months.

The Singler comparison just wasnt even close. I went with the Duke guy, and even said he is more athletic, just has a similar build. I didnt even talk about their games.

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How are his handle's better than Hummel's? Back up your statement please.

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how? watch them play

Hummel doesnt attack much from the perimeter. When he is out there, he is there to spot up and shoot. When he dribbles, he's 2-3 dribble guy.

Derenbecker dribbles pretty well with either hand, and is good at putting the ball on the floor and attacking the rim, as well as being a good spot up shooter.


You are going to see Derenbecker handle the ball in college much more than Hummel has. He's more of a point-forward type. He wont handle it exclusively, obviously, with 2 PG's coming in the same class. But he is more than capable.

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Both can run the floor and dunk. Not freak athletes by no stretch, as athletic as Hummel, yes! More athletic than Hummel, not so much.

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when watching either, Derenbecker's agility and footspeed are a notch above Hummel's.


sibs, you should travel east more past Baton Rouge and see some of these kids in the area.

I know you weren't. Everyone in this thread may not have heard of him, so I was pointing that out.

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Now who is your friend at CD, is it the Mullins or the young prick guy that started their last year I believe?

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the young prick??

like you have any room to talk

you claim you are out to help kids, yet you bash them more than you talk good about them

you need to check yourself

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Fair enough, but it is obvious you are still a homer because he is a CD kid.

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i have nothing to be a homer about. I dont know the kid. I didnt go to CD either.

its about as unbiased as i can get, really.

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Hummel isn't called to handle the ball, if he needs to handle he can, but I see your side though.

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i wouldnt know that from watching them on TV.

he's obviously a very coordinated athlete, and i figure if he had the handles and athleticism to attack the rim more, he would. It would be to his benefit, obviously.

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Plus you are watching Matt blow by Crescent City and St. Martin's, he can't blow by or get past quicker and more athletic kids without a screen or coming off a screen.

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I've never seen him play against a 1A team, so throw that out.

CD plays a pretty tough schedule for being 1A. its full of 4 and 5a teams that have good history.


of course HS isnt on the Big 10's level, but from the looks of it, what i said is true. I dont see how TV is deceptive. The Big 10 really isnt oozing with wing athletes at this point either.

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I have seen CD, St. Aug, Jesuit, Mcd 35, Salmen, STA, Riverside, Karr, Brother Martin, Slidell, Covington, Hammond, Grand Isle and others from that way this year, not to mention, Lafayette/Opelousas areas, Shreveport teams, monroe teams, CENLA teams and even small town teams like Vidalia, Zwolle, Rapides, Midland, Pleasant Hill and others. So to tell me to get out more east, how about you get out of NOLA first. Not to mention, seeing teams in Jackson, MS, Memphis, TN, and Houston, TX. So, you may want to get out more.

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yeah, how many times?? Once or twice?

following your post on here and your LAReport FB page just about all the ones you hype and talk about are BR area guys or people that play on your AAU team. You should branch out more, the best basketball is being played in NOLA metro area. Seems like u would target there first.

Matt D is a special athlete, and kid. I've seen himplay since pee wee leagues. Not because he was taller, faster, smarter...but I never seen a game where he wasn't by far the best player on the court.

LSU is lucky to have MD.

ps.. he's a much better person than he'll ever be at basketball.

my small amount of two cents on the issue... i havent seen him play in a while but a good friend of mine who played AAU basketball with him a while back said he went and practiced with him one day... told my matt was very atheletic good ball handling...could two hand 360 slam from what i was told...and as far as the very good basketball IQ that is spot on...his dad played at Vandy as mentioned before and i remember him instilling alot of basketball knowledge into his son...he preached non stop fundamentals to matt all the time....this was a few years back and 2nd hand info so im not going to claim to know him in and out

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Boudreaux was a complete bust and, I think, a barely average player.
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discussing Harold's career at LSU is another thread entirely but what does how Harold's career turned out have to do with my comparison of him to Ludwig? Since I not only saw Harold in HS but I actually played against him and his twin brother Carroll, I feel pretty comfortable saying Harold >>> Ludwig and it is not really even close. But Ludwig's style and Harold's style are virtually carbon copies of each other.

a Lazare comparison is ok, but IMHO Ludwig has a better basketball skill set right now than Lazare ever did

Caesar was actually a tremendous athlete and was recruited as much more than just a 3pt shooter out of Iowa HS. That was the role he played as a senior and junior because LSU was undermanned and forced to shoot a ton of threes to compete.


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I'm thinking a better black player comparison is Collis Temple III, or maybe Garrett Temple with a better shot and not as much defense.
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Derenbecker is much more of a multi-skilled offensive threat than either Temple.

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I never played against the Boudreaux brothers, but I saw them multiple times in high school.

When I think of Eddie Ludwig's skill set, I think of someone (stereotype warning) that is not a great athlete, but has a high basketball IQ and is always in the right position. He is a good passer and has great fundamentals.

When I think of Harold, I think of the exact opposite. Someone blessed physically, but has a low basketball IQ. Harold is one of the dumbest players I ever remember talking to. Maybe a step above Shawn Griggs on an intelligence level. Carroll was an even better athlete, but maybe dumber than Harold.

You are probably right about the Derenbecker/Temple comparison. I was reaching for a white/black comparison. It's harder than it seems to make a cross-racial comparison.

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When I think of Harold, I think of the exact opposite. Someone blessed physically, but has a low basketball IQ. Harold is one of the dumbest players I ever remember talking to. Maybe a step above Shawn Griggs on an intelligence level. Carroll was an even better athlete, but maybe dumber than Harold.

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I think you have this backwards

Carroll = post player and the "heavier" (although slightly in HS, much more so in college) of the two. Carroll hung around the basket and lived on junk and dunks. He couldnt shoot from the outside very well and he didnt handle the ball well at all.

Harold = wing player and the much better perimeter player/shooter of the two. Harold could beat smaller guys off the dribble and he had the athletic ability to finish plays. He also was a deadly spot up 3pt shooter but he didnt get off the ground when he shot the ball.

when Harold finally got eligible at LSU (after sitting the 1988/1989 year for Prop 48) he wasn't quick enough to start on the wing in the SEC. He wasn't physical enough to play around the basket and he was essentially the classic SEC tweener. He was an excellent outside set shooter in HS but his jump shooting ability didnt improve to the college level and he struggled. LSU was loaded, he didnt develop as he should have and he essentially got left behind. Harold should have been comparable to the "Glenn Rice of LSU" but he simply didnt do the work. He had a similar shooting form but he didnt get off the ground when he shot, much like Rice. What made Rice so good was he was so big, he got his shot off so quick and he was deadly from anywhere. Most people I know from Cecilia feel like Prop 48 killed Harold's career at LSU because he got lazy when he was off for a year.

ETA: the part in bold could easily be applied to Ludwig, which is why I made the comparison that I did.

When you say Harold and Griggs were dumb, I think maybe you confuse being country with being stupid. Griggs had drug issues but when you saw him on the court, he clearly had the ability to read an offense and anticipate a pass better than almost any player I have ever seen at LSU. That isnt the mark of someone that is stupid, but Griggs was so Ferriday country that he probably came across as dumb. Griggs could have been a Bruce Bowen type of player had he kept his head on straight.

Harold had a thick Cajun accent and was as St Martin Parish country as they come. However he did relatively well in school, got his degree and is now a high school coach.

ETA pt 2
and ironically enough, Harold and Carroll had another younger brother named Harry Lee that was off the chains athletic but was a mediocre basketball player. He was about 6'4 and was a state triple jump champion and held the 2A Triple Jump record (48ft 10in) for years. He played JUCO ball and didnt amount to much on the basketball court.

yeah I'm a dumbass.