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New NCAA Academic Standards - How bad is this going to hurt us?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:36 pm
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Looks like it's going to put an end to recruits cramming all of their courses into the back end of their high school career.
It's also the subject of Ivan Maisel's podcast today. Apparently Saban is fired up about this as he should be. This could be a big blow for the SEC IMHO.
These numbers are glaring.
Looks like it's going to put an end to recruits cramming all of their courses into the back end of their high school career.
It's also the subject of Ivan Maisel's podcast today. Apparently Saban is fired up about this as he should be. This could be a big blow for the SEC IMHO.
These numbers are glaring.
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15.3: Percentage of student-athletes who enrolled in 2009-10 but would not meet the 2016 academic standards
35.2: Percentage of football players who enrolled in 2009-10 but would not meet the 2016 academic standards
43.1: Percentage of men's basketball players who enrolled in 2009-10 but would not meet the 2016 academic standards.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 1:38 pm
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Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:38 pm to mule74
So basketball players are the least intelligent, I see.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:39 pm to mule74
This hasn't been talked about enough. It's going to decimate SEC recruiting a good bit.
The coaches really need to get on recruits/commits as early on as they can to GET THEIR WORK DONE in the classroom.
The coaches really need to get on recruits/commits as early on as they can to GET THEIR WORK DONE in the classroom.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:42 pm to thunderbird1100
I blame high school football coaches. You should have a pretty good idea of which kids will be recruited when they are freshmen in high school. If the HS coaches were doing their job, they'd be preparing those kids properly to help make sure they qualify, at least from GPA and core course perspective.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:47 pm to mule74
I just put up the same link. I also included a link to a podcast with Ivan Maisel and the author that's pretty informative.
I think the biggest issue is the one that they identify and that is how do you get the word out and get the young kids to take this seriously. The academic redshirt will mitigate the impact somewhat, but not completely as a lot of talented freshmen won't be able to play.
This may be another reason why we are taking advantage of our high profile and going national with recruiting. Prop 48 was first introduced when Archer took over, and we had no plan to deal with it. That was the beginning of the dark ages.
I think the biggest issue is the one that they identify and that is how do you get the word out and get the young kids to take this seriously. The academic redshirt will mitigate the impact somewhat, but not completely as a lot of talented freshmen won't be able to play.
This may be another reason why we are taking advantage of our high profile and going national with recruiting. Prop 48 was first introduced when Archer took over, and we had no plan to deal with it. That was the beginning of the dark ages.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:47 pm to ProjectP2294
At least we're on kids in their sophomore years now on average. If these standards we're in place 10 years ago it would have been catastrophic for SEC teams.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:52 pm to mule74
They don't meet the 2016 standards because they don't have to. Most of the players meet whatever is the minimum. They will be fine. Athletes have been coddled for decades. This won't change anything.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:57 pm to Bubba Hotep
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They don't meet the 2016 standards because they don't have to. Most of the players meet whatever is the minimum. They will be fine. Athletes have been coddled for decades. This won't change anything.
I agree to a point. Late bloomers and those stuck in bad high school environments will be challenged. Increase the standard and you will increase the number who don't meet it. This issue is how many more and we won't know until we get close.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:00 pm to Indiana Tiger
But they have also thrown in an "academic redshirt" so many of those players will still be allowed to go to college on scholarship, but not be allowed to play as a freshman. Most of them would not have played anyway.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:00 pm to Bubba Hotep
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They don't meet the 2016 standards because they don't have to. Most of the players meet whatever is the minimum. They will be fine. Athletes have been coddled for decades. This won't change anything.
I think it changes very little. I'm guessing one kid every three years or so that has to go the JUCO route instead of gaining eligibility.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:03 pm to Suntiger
I think we'll be hurt by this more than some of you think. The entire SEC actually sans Vandy will have more guys that aren't takes. At least they can still join the team though...just can't play if they still qualify under old standards.
But Division II teams are rejoicing over this. They can offer immediate playing time for these guys when Division I schools can't.
But Division II teams are rejoicing over this. They can offer immediate playing time for these guys when Division I schools can't.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:04 pm to Bubba Hotep
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They don't meet the 2016 standards because they don't have to. Most of the players meet whatever is the minimum. They will be fine. Athletes have been coddled for decades. This won't change anything.
This. It would be big if they implemented it this year, but four years is plenty of time to acclimate.
I think it could actually help some kids get eligible, by forcing them not to wait until the last minute. Also it will help coaches know who's actually going to make it to campus, and recruit accordingly.
Paul Mainieri is reading this saying "cry me a river Saban."
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:06 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Also, Saban and Miles are not the ones who should worry. They get the cream of the crop of currently eligible players and that won't change. They will still get the best eligible players. The bottom feeders who get some players for academic reasons will be hurt more, IMO.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:06 pm to Bubba Hotep
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Most of them would not have played anyway.
I agree with the academic redshirt not preventing many from admission. While I think the most not playing might be correct, the number who would play is very significant, especially in basketball.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:07 pm to Indiana Tiger
Yes, in basketball. I was thinking mostly football because of the greater numbers.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:57 pm to mule74
Regardless of whether it hurts us or the SEC, this is a good thing. We need to be making sure these kids are getting educated. I know not everyone is above average (or even average), but there are certain minimum standards that all these kids could meet but currently aren't.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:23 pm to ProjectP2294
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I blame high school football coaches.
Do you really? So the kids and their parents aren't responsible for taking care of their own business? While it is nice if a high school coach helps direct the player and I feel they have some obligation to do so in their capacity as a head coach, the fault in this situation has to fall back onto the student-athlete and parents. Why is it everyone else's fault?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:24 pm to CrocsWithSocks
It's not a good thing at all. In fact, why do these assholes feel the need to meddle? I guess they have to have something to do. All this does is take away opportunities for young kids without the means to go to college. Not every one of those kids takes full advantage of college and their education but some are completely transformed by it.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:30 pm to TorNation
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Do you really? So the kids and their parents aren't responsible for taking care of their own business? While it is nice if a high school coach helps direct the player and I feel they have some obligation to do so in their capacity as a head coach, the fault in this situation has to fall back onto the student-athlete and parents. Why is it everyone else's fault?
Let me elaborate. I blame the High School coaches for not starting the process for these kids when they are freshmen. I blame them for not educating the players and their families as to what needs to be done to reach the next level.
After that, all the blame falls sqaurely on the individual that didn't do the work, or the parents that didn't stay on top of them to do it.
If a kid doesn't qualify because he doesn't work hard enough to make it, that's his fault.
If a kid doesn't qualify because he didn't start trying until his junior year, that's his and the coach's fault.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:32 pm to ProjectP2294
You have to blame the players. Sorry but high school is a joke and no one should have a problem getting a 2.3 GPA and getting 10 core classes out of the way by the start of their senior year. No one to blame but themselves for being lazy and probably just just not doing the work. High school is literally all about just doing the work. If you do the work in every class, you'd be hard pressed to make lower than a B.
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