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re: Nate Sheppard vs. Harlem Berry
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:45 am to armydude
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:45 am to armydude
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because he plays against better athletes on a week to week basis. Berry plays in the least competitive 1A district in the state, and Sheppard plays 5A ball.
Which also means Sheppards supporting cast is MUCH better than berry’s, including the O-line.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 10:29 am to armydude
Less kids come out of 1A because there are less kids in 1A.
thats why kids go to camp.
thats why kids go to camp.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:51 am to thunderbird1100
Perhaps this is where I am going wrong. I do put a lot of stock into where a kid goes to HS, and the competition he plays against. Especially when I personally know the level of football he's currently partaking in.
I know Berry's athleticism will allow him to break through at the next level. There is no denying that! He could be a generational talent, and I truly hope he is for LSU's sake.
I apologize if I came across as someone who thinks Nate Sheppard is better than Harlem Berry. I DO NOT think this. But the way BK cycles through RBs, Sheppard could be a nice addition.
My only concern is that LSU is going to miss on another RB in their back yard. The kid's a stud on and off the field, and in and out the classroom, apparently.
I know Berry's athleticism will allow him to break through at the next level. There is no denying that! He could be a generational talent, and I truly hope he is for LSU's sake.
I apologize if I came across as someone who thinks Nate Sheppard is better than Harlem Berry. I DO NOT think this. But the way BK cycles through RBs, Sheppard could be a nice addition.
My only concern is that LSU is going to miss on another RB in their back yard. The kid's a stud on and off the field, and in and out the classroom, apparently.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:55 am to armydude
Competition does matter when evaluating players.
Berry, in a vacuum & by every measure, is a great athlete. Both things can be true.
Berry, in a vacuum & by every measure, is a great athlete. Both things can be true.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:00 pm to SammyTiger
Ha! I understand that completely
However kids who live in the NOLA area have options, especially those that go to Private school.
Kids in the NOLA area that want to play big time football dont go to 1A schools. They go to Curtis, Rummel, Brother Martin, St Aug, etc. But kids that live in Oak Grove (for example) don't really have much of a choice but to play 1A ball because that's all they got.
So, kids in Oak Grove might be bred to play football there. But kids in Metairie are bred to play football at Curtis, Rummel, Brother Martin, St. Aug, etc. Kids in the NOLA area that are not so good, aspire to play football, and are seeking playing time go those 1A schools. So, when these 1A teams meet in the playoffs its a blood bath.
The level of 1A football in Oak Grove is way beyond what's in the NOLA area bc all the talent in NOLA gets sucked up by the bigger powerhouse programs.
However kids who live in the NOLA area have options, especially those that go to Private school.
Kids in the NOLA area that want to play big time football dont go to 1A schools. They go to Curtis, Rummel, Brother Martin, St Aug, etc. But kids that live in Oak Grove (for example) don't really have much of a choice but to play 1A ball because that's all they got.
So, kids in Oak Grove might be bred to play football there. But kids in Metairie are bred to play football at Curtis, Rummel, Brother Martin, St. Aug, etc. Kids in the NOLA area that are not so good, aspire to play football, and are seeking playing time go those 1A schools. So, when these 1A teams meet in the playoffs its a blood bath.
The level of 1A football in Oak Grove is way beyond what's in the NOLA area bc all the talent in NOLA gets sucked up by the bigger powerhouse programs.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:06 pm to Lester Earl
100% I'm just saying, maybe I am putting too much stock in the competition level.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:11 pm to armydude
You are.
Now compare Stamps to Stingley based solely on classification and level of competition
Now compare Stamps to Stingley based solely on classification and level of competition
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:26 pm to armydude
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100% I'm just saying, maybe I am putting too much stock in the competition level.
the competition is offensive. I will never knock the player due to that, but it does make it harder to project.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:37 pm to Lester Earl
Some people said the same about Arch.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:52 pm to DCtiger1
I'm not comparing nobody. I understand athletes do come out of smaller schools, especially in the smaller towns around the state.
However, the district Berry is in is very bad (outside of RSA & WSJ, historically), and that's the best he's ever seen when it comes to 11v11.
With that said, I 10000% believe his athletic ability will shorten his transition period.
However, the district Berry is in is very bad (outside of RSA & WSJ, historically), and that's the best he's ever seen when it comes to 11v11.
With that said, I 10000% believe his athletic ability will shorten his transition period.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:01 pm to deepdeltatiger
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Some people said the same about Arch.
said what about Arch
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:05 pm to deepdeltatiger
Dont throw Arch into this. Arch could have been home schooled, not play ball, and still receive D1 offers.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:18 pm to armydude
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However, the district Berry is in is very bad (outside of RSA & WSJ, historically), and that's the best he's ever seen when it comes to 11v11.
listen, his schedule isn’t great, but you know he’s played teams outside his district right?
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:31 pm to armydude
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I'm not comparing nobody.
Bro, your thread title is "Nate Sheppard vs. Harlem Berry."
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:44 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Right
? That’s why I’m saying okay let’s look at Stamps, who played at Rummel, vs stingley who played at the Dunham school because that’s the argument being made here

Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:13 pm to armydude
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However kids who live in the NOLA area have options, especially those that go to Private school.
Kids in the NOLA area that want to play big time football dont go to 1A schools. They go to Curtis, Rummel, Brother Martin, St Aug, etc.
Quite obvious you don't know anything about Harlem's upbringing and how he ended up at St. Martin's.
As a graduate of St. Martin's and someone who has met with and spoken to Harlem and his parents on several occasions, let me help educate you - Harlem's parents moved their family from The East so they would have a safer and better opportunity in life. Hearing gunshots every day and night is not a great place to raise young kids.
Before entering high school, Harlem's parents attended several open houses and visited both John Curtis and St. Aug (his dad graduated from St. Aug. so Harlem is a legacy). When the Berry's inquired about Harlem's desire to play HS football, academics, and tuition assistance, both schools turned him down citing Harlem had only played 1 year of organized tackle football (8th grade). As a kid, Harlem grew up playing soccer.
The Berry's decided to visit St. Martin's and the rest is history. The school's academics, close-knit family atmosphere, and Harlem's ability to participate in all sports confirmed to be the perfect fit for the Berry's. St. Martin's worked with the family so Harlem could achieve his dream. More importantly, the school didn't prioritize Harlem's previous football experience. They chose to invest in a kid to make him a better person and to be successful in life. In retrospect and looking back at the last 4 years, it all worked out perfectly.
Several posters shared their opinions that Harlem should have transferred to Curtis, St. Aug, or other 4A-5A schools to showcase his talent against better competition. When you're the #1 RB in America and a solid 5-star recruit, is going Curtis, St. Aug, IMG, or another school gonna improve your high-school rankings ? He's already proven himself based on film, camps, and Elite 7x7 competition, as the professional scouts and college coaches agree. Harlem has a premier talent that is not coachable, SPEED. He ran a laser-timed 4.38 during LSU camp which would have been the 2nd fastest time at the 2024 NFL combine. LSU will put him on a weight and nutrition program to prepare him for CFB at the next level.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:19 pm to DCtiger1
Stingley was a once in a generation, can’t-miss player. Size / athleticism/ ball skills, the whole package.
Yall really just love to use extreme outliers to try and make a point, huh
Yall really just love to use extreme outliers to try and make a point, huh
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:22 pm to Got Blaze
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is going Curtis, St. Aug, IMG, or another school gonna improve your high-school rankings ?
Nope. But that doesn’t take you anywhere past high school.
The exposure of playing against better competition would have made him a better player. Whether that exposed him or he flourished, or both. It would have made him better.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:26 pm to Lester Earl
Keep moving the goalposts clown.
You’re sure making it sound like it doesn’t matter where stingley played, he was going to be a stud.
You’re sure making it sound like it doesn’t matter where stingley played, he was going to be a stud.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 3:38 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Bro, your thread title is "Nate Sheppard vs. Harlem Berry."
I know what gets clicks

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