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re: Nate Sheppard vs. Harlem Berry

Posted on 10/6/24 at 6:59 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 6:59 am to
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My favorite thing is when people say stupid anecdotal nonsense like this and think it means anything in terms of proving their point.




If it wasn't clear, I was just mocking you, not doing a scientific experiment.
Posted by armydude
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:20 am to
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Lmfao you asked what makes Berry better, I told you in explicit and largely objective terms, and you just keep saying you “don’t believe in” star ratings. Cool dude, I didn’t mention star ratings.


Ok. Thanks for your answer. I agree with you. But I still think Sheppard puts out more impressive film considering the level of competition. Again, I don’t think Sheppard is the better RB (right now). Berry would be my pick at the moment mainly bc of his versatility in the passing game. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t still offer Sheppard. He’s the best RB in the state half way through the season, and I don’t thinks it’s even close.

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You know what’s hard to scout at a HS level? Soft skills like “patience” and “vision”. You act like you’re watching all-22 of these HS games.


Not all but I go to some of the Mandeville home games my son wants to go to, so I do watch those. I guarantee you Sheppard puts his patience and vision on display, and it’s obvious he’s the best on the field at all times. Even dating back to last year, but you can tell he’s elevated his game year over year, as expected.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:59 am to
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just eating my supper looking


You say supper instead of dinner? Weird


Rbs will always be missed on and fall through the cracks. You could do this every year.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:12 am to
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Rbs will always be missed on and fall through the cracks. You could do this every year.


That is the point, chalky.

“Everyone has Berry as RB1” is a lazy take.

RB is an equal opportunity position
Posted by Underteaux
Member since Feb 2024
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:27 am to
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Rbs will always be missed on and fall through the cracks
The top 2 rushers in the SEC right now are from LA and don’t attend LSU
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:32 am to
The lead backs at FL & UGA are also from Louisiana
Posted by armydude
Member since Aug 2014
1000 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:03 am to
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The top 2 rushers in the SEC right now are from LA and don’t attend LSU


I can understand a kid rejecting an offer, but completely missing on one (not offering) is a whole other story.
Posted by Underteaux
Member since Feb 2024
538 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:16 am to
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I can understand a kid rejecting an offer, but completely missing on one (not offering) is a whole other story.
We went after Moss. Not sure we ever offered Dylan Sampson.
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:40 am to
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The lead backs at FL & UGA are also from Louisiana


Wild how the top backs on four SEC teams are from Louisiana, and LSU is not one of those four teams.
Posted by armydude
Member since Aug 2014
1000 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:54 am to
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Wild how the top backs on four SEC teams are from Louisiana, and LSU is not one of those four teams.


It is a shame. It’s also a testament to the talent in this state.

Unfortunately we seem to miss on in state RBs often, especially recently.

CEH is one that comes to mind that we didnt miss on. TDP was solid. Emery was a major bust considering the hype. Kaleb Jackson is underwhelming. Trey Holly had one nice run against Army.

They must have really shined during camps!

This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76174 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:04 pm to
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Wild how the top backs on four SEC teams are from Louisiana, and LSU is not one of those four teams.


yeah the stats was super rich with RBs in our transition year which sucks.

Miss and Sampson are tough losses. Idk if we were ever in on Sampson preferring Moss and Citizen.

that was the last time we had this many good RBs in the stats.

I like the ones we have. Lindsey is a beast. Berry is super versatile.



This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 12:06 pm
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
19512 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 7:07 pm to
Using Holly and Emory as examples is dumb as a rock move. Not even going to explain why, not good example.
Posted by armydude
Member since Aug 2014
1000 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 7:51 pm to
Dude whatever you say.

The point stands. LSU has missed on in state RBs recently. Whether we signed one that didn’t work out, or didn’t offer one that turned into a star for someone else.

And why is Emery a bad comparison? He was one of the best (if not the best) rated RB in the class, right? He’s a bust. Couldn’t make the grades, and couldn’t stay healthy.
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 8:11 pm
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
19512 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 8:35 pm to
Injuries don’t count, right. So if Sheppard gets hurt he is a bust. Like I said bad comparison l whatever you say, did I do that right?
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 8:37 pm
Posted by armydude
Member since Aug 2014
1000 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:01 pm to
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Like I said bad comparison l whatever you say, did I do that right?


Nope.
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by LSUFanMizeWay
Picayune MS
Member since Sep 2014
6234 posts
Posted on 10/7/24 at 12:18 am to
John Emery Jr. graduated, and his knee didn't hold up, he wasn't a bust.
Posted by armydude
Member since Aug 2014
1000 posts
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:15 am to
So being suspended an entire season (2021) and 2 games in 2022 for academics, and constantly being injured isn’t your definition of a bust for the supposed best RB in the class? He was rarely our RB1, if ever. He never shaped up to the RB everyone was expecting.

1,453 career yards at LSU. That’s an average of 363 yards per season when only including the seasons he was available for 9+ games.

From a production standpoint that’s a bust bro.

If Berry produced those numbers what would you think? And don’t tell me not to compare them. They both ran the same 40, and both are/were the #1 RB in the country coming out of HS.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 10:09 am
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1979 posts
Posted on 10/7/24 at 12:05 pm to
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John Emery Jr. graduated, and his knee didn't hold up, he wasn't a bust.



I appreciate that you're trying to show love for a guy who stuck it out with LSU for 6 years despite every conceivable thing going wrong for him--I think emery should get props for that, too, and you're a good fan for thinking that way--and I also agree with you that it's stupid to compare emery and berry, but even so, it's patently absurd to call emery's career anything but a bust.


We're talking about a 5* RB who was here for 6 seasons and saw the field in 5 and yet was only one of our top 3 rushers on the year ONCE - the covid-shortened season where we went 5-5 and were an all-around disaster, in which he was our second-leading rusher with 378yds. He never once cracked 400 yards rushing in a season and only cracked 100yds in a game one time (against vandy).


Yes, he was a useful change-of-pace back at times and had a big moment for us against bama in 2022, but the idea that we'd have been happy with this career when he signed is a complete joke. Wish him all the best and couldn't be happier for the kid that he graduated and think it's absolutely tragic that injuries got him again... but he was a bust - simple as that.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76174 posts
Posted on 10/7/24 at 12:34 pm to
literally everything that could go wrong for Emery went wrong.

But he consistently showed why he was a 5 star.

For the most part availability was his issue not ability.
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