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re: More news on Storm

Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:07 pm to
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:07 pm to
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They are in the same conference as Colerain (state power) & they regularly play Moeller. Here is another from Ohiotigerfan. Princeton is probably ranks between 8 & 12 in the city & Top 20 in the state. Wares team is ranked 8 to 12 in the city, but are still top 20 in the state. He plays against great competition. I usually agree with you Lynx, but not this time.


Thats good info to have--thanks!

That's also why I asked the question about the level of competition--I know Ohio is known for being a top football state, so I had a feeling it was at least average competition.

Like I've said, I am just not sold on him completely as of now. Maybe I will see some senior footage and will be blown away and change tunes.

I felt the same way months ago when I watched his film and no one knew about him and I still feel the same.
Posted by offdacorner
Member since Feb 2009
1853 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:38 pm to
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The coaching staff took the player they valued most. Plain and simple. They had Ware rated higher and took his commit and no longer had room for Storm. They get paid to make the hard choices and are accountable to the fans for winning. They did what they had to do.

Bottom line is they never accepted the commit from Storm so he never had a real offer. He was the back up plan all along but it never came to that. No one knows exactly what was said to him or his family so people should not be upset about the way someone was treated if you don't know exactly what was said.



Well no offense, but you weren't there either, so you also don't know what was said-- and you're commenting on the issue.

It's just that your idea of exactly what happened differs from mine and some others.

Your opinion is that Storm never had an offer from LSU because he wanted to take visits. So why then after he met with Miles and the coaches would both Storm and his father make the announcement that he would be signing with LSU?

Neither Storm or his father would have anything to gain by coming out and publicly saying he had committed to the Tigers if it wasn't true.

My two cents.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20010 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:50 pm to
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Your opinion is that Storm never had an offer from LSU because he wanted to take visits. So why then after he met with Miles and the coaches would both Storm and his father make the announcement that he would be signing with LSU?


I certainly don't know all that transpired either, but perhaps Storm's father hoped that by making things public it would encourage other recruits to look elsewhere. Just some speculation on my part.
Posted by SNAPPERHEAD
Possumneck, Ms.
Member since Jan 2006
10057 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:58 pm to
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I don't like the way this whole debacle went down.

It's not just that we lost out on a top quality back, but I really think the staff went about this the wrong way.

If you're going to offer a kid a scholarship, it should be unconditional. A kid's offer shouldn't be under the condition that he keep hush hush about it.

Yeah I know recruits often play games like this too, but two wrongs don't make a right. Why should this kid have to pay for other kids' past transgressions?

It's just not cool to see LSU getting involved in this kind of recruiting.

I wish Storm the best wherever he ends up--just not against us.



Posted by offdacorner
Member since Feb 2009
1853 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:05 am to
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I certainly don't know all that transpired either, but perhaps Storm's father hoped that by making things public it would encourage other recruits to look elsewhere. Just some speculation on my part.


This may very well be true.

But this would only make sense if Storm actually had committed to LSU.

I was responding to the poster who said that Storm had not committed to the Tigers. If Storm hadn't committed to the Tigers, I can't imagine for a second that he and his father would have been saying that he was going to be playing his football at LSU.
Posted by GeauxTigrs1
Member since Apr 2008
1968 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 8:36 am to
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Any idea if those are the teams that are in his highlight reel? JW


Ware did play a premiere Division 1 schedule which included 3 state playoff teams, Cinc. Colerain, Centerville and Archbishop Moeller and 2 teams that just missed out on the playoffs. He also played against LB Jordan Hicks who is a 5* from Lakota West.

Highlights also included Centerville and Lakota West.
This post was edited on 7/30/09 at 8:42 am
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 9:07 am to
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I really hope LSU hasn't stooped this level of recruiting. I'd like to think our coaches are more forthright with recruits than this.


From what I read, it is entirely possible that the LSU coaches were entirely forthright with Storm and his dad. It is possible they told father and son that they would accept or had accepted his commit contingent on a higher ranked or a particular running back not committing to LSU.

Lache's father's comments may have been his attempt to solidify Lache's place at LSU by "scaring" off other potential commits to LSU.

We don't know and probably never will.
This post was edited on 7/30/09 at 9:34 am
Posted by TxTiger25
Houston
Member since Jan 2006
10289 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 9:21 am to
Sorry I'm just now getting around to commenting, but this bums me out. I think storm's a better back than Ware, but hopefully Ware proves me wrong. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we'll be hurting at the RB position for a while, but Storm is a complete stud RB IMO in the Michael Ford mold. Or maybe I just haven't seen enough tape on Ware since I really didn't thik we had much of a shot at landing him.
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 9:49 am to
The bottom line is recruiting (especially in the SEC) is getting to be a more and more nasty, dirty business. you have 40 and 50 year old grown men being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions for head coaches) and a big part of their job is recruiting.

In recruiting, these "grown men" are dealing with "MINORS" (16 & 17 year old kids) and routinely mislead, manipulate or even lie to kids.

THIS CANNOT BE A GOOD THING.
Posted by Broken Arrow
Member since Dec 2007
7820 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 9:52 am to
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I really think the staff went about this the wrong way.

I'd hold off on blaming the staff. None of us know what really was going on and most likely we never will. We have to believe that Miles and company are doing what is best for LSU. Let's let them do their thing and on gameday we do ours.
Posted by mrgreen225
BatonRouge
Member since Jul 2009
100 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:32 pm to
well i feel sorry for storm because i dnt know wat the deal is with his recruiting process all i got to say is that if seastrunk commits before the season starts we might still can snatch storm and and sees if he accepts the offer
This post was edited on 7/30/09 at 12:33 pm
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81393 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:34 pm to
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well i feel sorry for storm because i dnt know wat the deal is with his recruiting process all i got to say is that if seastrunk commits before the season starts we might still can snatch storm and and sees if he accepts the offer


So wise beyond his years, MrGreen speaks and you chumps better listen. The man has a way with words.
Posted by mmill32
Williamson County, Texas
Member since Jul 2005
2999 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:38 pm to
very philosophical mr. green, very philosophical

good luck to storm wherever this path takes him
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:44 pm to
If Miles took someone he had rated higher and refused Storm's commitment is still a lot better than taking players for the sake of taking with the intension to cull the bunch later.
Posted by REMY1
LA-TN-AZ
Member since May 2007
1130 posts
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:58 pm to
RECRUITING 101. TRUST NO ONE
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28185 posts
Posted on 7/31/09 at 7:32 pm to
quote:

The coaching staff took the player they valued most. Plain and simple. They had Ware rated higher and took his commit and no longer had room for Storm. They get paid to make the hard choices and are accountable to the fans for winning. They did what they had to do.

Bottom line is they never accepted the commit from Storm so he never had a real offer.No one knows exactly what was said to him or his family so people should not be upset about the way someone was treated if you don't know exactly what was said.


While other posts in this thread are merely speculating, this post is 100% fact. It's funny how people try to spin things so much and create drama, when in the end the truth is pretty darn simple.... We took Ware. As of now, we have not taken Storm. The guys that get paid to do this for a living, and have done this very well given our recruiting successes under Miles, made a decision that currently includes Ware and currently does not include Storm. The reasons really don't matter, but in all likelihood it was football-related, seeing as though some of the top recruiting minds in college football are the ones that made the decision.


quote:

Neither Storm or his father would have anything to gain by coming out and publicly saying he had committed to the Tigers if it wasn't true.


First of all, 18 year olds and their fathers that are going through the recruiting game for the first time aren't exactly "sponges" of information and communication, so it very well could be the case that they just didn't know what the hell they were talking about and totally misunderstood what they heard. They got a lot of love, and maybe thought that meant they got an offer. Secondly, even if they actually did get an offer, there are hundreds of reasons they'd want to go public with that, limited but not including scaring other recruits, making Storm look better (if LSU wants him, shouldn't all schools want him?), trying to "tie" LSU into a commitment with Storm through the media, or just simply looking for good old fashioned attention. Just because his dad said LSU had accepted his offer/commitment doesn't make it true.

We can go back-and-forth on this whole thing until we're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, we have one of if not the best recruiting staffs in the country. We don't have any reason to question their decision(s). I'm sure it was the right one. They're the ones that will be held accountable in the future, so who are we to question them at this point on this particular issue?
This post was edited on 7/31/09 at 7:43 pm
Posted by TxTiger25
Houston
Member since Jan 2006
10289 posts
Posted on 7/31/09 at 7:57 pm to
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no, this must've been 4-5 years ago even. frick this is gonna piss me off, i dont guess any recruiting sites would show a list of who was ever committed to a school. egg, you better fricking remember this soon.


It was 2005, he ended up committing to Bama and getting in trouble before he ever got to campus. He played for either Galveston Ball or LaMarque or one of those galveston area schools and I was working for the Galveston paper at the time so I interviewed him several times and always pimped the Tigers. I just can't think of his name.

ETA: Ah, now I see you were talking about Valcin, forgot about him. I think the kid I'm thinking of just got in trouble and lost his commitment.
This post was edited on 7/31/09 at 8:02 pm
Posted by That LSU Guy
PVB
Member since Jul 2008
14895 posts
Posted on 7/31/09 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

The bottom line is recruiting (especially in the SEC) is getting to be a more and more nasty, dirty business. you have 40 and 50 year old grown men being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions for head coaches) and a big part of their job is recruiting.

In recruiting, these "grown men" are dealing with "MINORS" (16 & 17 year old kids) and routinely mislead, manipulate or even lie to kids.

THIS CANNOT BE A GOOD THING.
New to recruiting?
Posted by mrgreen225
BatonRouge
Member since Jul 2009
100 posts
Posted on 7/31/09 at 8:18 pm to
this might not be true
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61712 posts
Posted on 7/31/09 at 9:11 pm to
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All this tells me is that Ware was higher on the board than Storm.

If they really want Storm, then they would still have him and Ware would have been told a spot was not available.


Yeah, I have a real hard time believing anything else.
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