re: MBB '25 Class Recruiting

I wasn't surprised that what I said was met with downvotes, just like I won't be surprised when this post gets downvoted either.

In general I like you as a poster and I like the things you say. I also think your post in general brings up some valid points but it also falls short on some others.

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It seems like you need the players to be the program…

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Under Coach McMahon LSU has not suffered on the recruiting front. His first offseason we pulled together a top 25 class and two top 100 players.

In total (counting this upcoming class) LSU under McMahon has:
8 top 100 players
3 top 25 classes

I don't think recruiting has ben the issue under McMahon. The notion that Cenac is the difference between us barely making the NIT and us making the NCAAT is just silly. He is not the end all be all of success for our program, which is why I'm not heavily bothered by him choosing to go elsewhere. Even without him, there are not 68 teams more talented than us.

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But you also need the program to get the top players. How do you get the players like Cenac if you aren’t a desirable program? But how do you get the program where it needs to be if you don’t get guys like Cenac?

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Houston has been a perennial top 25 and NCAAT team under coach Sampson. Go back and look at their recruiting. It's picked up the last couple years but a lot of their first runs at the NCAAT was made up of sub 50 recruiting classes and mostly 3 stars.

Good coaches can find diamonds in the rough and build a program. Even then, I'm not implying LSU is a bad program or has had to find diamonds in the rough. Outside of McMahon's second recruiting class the recruiting has been elite.

It's just a fact sadly that Sampson is a better coach than McMahon and he has turned Houston into a more desirable place for potential 1 and done talents than LSU is right now. Downvote if you want, but it doesn't change the truth.

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I imagine investing into the program infrastructure could help, but LSU, at least with the latest local 5 star, hasn’t been able to do what they need to do. If not now, maybe after consistent winning? It’d be much easier to win consistently with 5 stars aboard (assuming they pan out).

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This is true, but there are plenty of teams that find success without beaucoup 5 stars. We don't need Cenac to be a successful tournament team and that should not be an excuse if we fail to make the tournament in the coming years. We have the talent to be successful.

I do agree the administration should invest more. Will Wade , for example, has amply spoken about how hard it is to win at LSU when the administration is often against you. Thankfully, with Kim Mulkey being here, it has shown that basketball can be successful and the administration can make improvements largely intended for WBB but that can be shared by MBB (new light installations in PMAC, for example).

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Like it was said earlier, maybe we take the money earmarked for Cenac and spend it in the portal. But then again maybe the same thing happens and we find ourselves in a vicious cycle

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I don't think the cycle is as vicious as you make it seem. I think we have to give McMahon this year and the next to see if we keep going forward. I said going into this season I won't make talent an excuse for McMahon anymore and I'm sticking to that.

I do think we will dig heavily into the portal again this upcoming offseason.

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I think Gilhool signing kind of turned him away a little bit.

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I highly doubt that Gilhool had any affect on Cenac.

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In total (counting this upcoming class) LSU under McMahon has:
8 top 100 players
3 top 25 classes

I don't think recruiting has ben the issue under McMahon.

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It hasn't. But before this year, we only had 2 top 100 hs recruits from McMahon playing. Same 2 for last year.
This year we have 5, 3 of which are true freshmen. Next year we will have 6, 7 if Reed stays a fourth year.

McMahon is building this program. LSU is building off of high school recruiting plus the occasional 1 or 2 transfers, which we should see next year.

You think we would add a international recruit to this 2025 class?

LSU is now in the position that in order to play for championships again, LSU must find 2-3 3 star players and coach them up to 5 star status while at LSU. Like the Honey Badger....if I am not mistaken, he was a 3 star recruit that got coached up big time. I'm afraid that is our only hope going forward in this broken system.

Here`s the deal with alot of fans they don`t like the coach they hate the program.MM,BK will never get their support no matter what they do.They
are pathetic.

Saying we don’t need someone like Cenac to be a much better team is silly.. Kid is one of the best players in the country and adding a talent like that to what we already have can jump you from a fringe tournament team to one of the best teams in the country.. If he lives up to his talent the kid is an absolute game changer..

How good is this Marcus Vaughn fellow?

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Here`s the deal with alot of fans they don`t like the coach they hate the program.MM,BK will never get their support no matter what they do.They are pathetic.

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That’s retarded like you apparently. All he has to do is win. But really not even that.
1. Have his players play their hearts out every game instead of quitting and running half arse like they do almost every time they get down in the second half.
(He hasn’t)
2. Show some in game coaching ability (he hasn’t) he gets out coached every second half.
3. Make the tournament yearly to show he’s competitive.
(He hasn’t)

Thats pretty much it. And all of us will root for him instead of downing him. We all support lsu basketball and want it to win. Thinking the coach sucks has nothing to do with the team or school you mouth breathing dolt

since you have played Power5 SEC basketball and coached it tell us what should be done. Come on retard show your wealth of knowledge.