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Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:20 am to
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:20 am to
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Hampton is signing with LSU on feb 3 and has openly said it’s gonna take some major cash to lure him to mlb


I think letting him sign prior to June and potentially vacating a scholarship is unwise.

I would sign him to a baseball LOI with the caveat that he can't report until fall camp. Haven't been able to find anything that would prohibit this. He would never be on a baseball scholarship and while we would have to save a spot, he wouldn't count against the 25 if he didn't show and the spot could be used in the next class. This is just a workaround for a situation that should have been accounted for, but was not, in the new rules.
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:31 am to
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I would sign him to a baseball LOI with the caveat that he can't report until fall camp. Haven't been able to find anything that would prohibit this. He would never be on a baseball scholarship and while we would have to save a spot, he wouldn't count against the 25 if he didn't show and the spot could be used in the next class. This is just a workaround for a situation that should have been accounted for, but was not, in the new rules.


I like it...great idea.

Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
73626 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:37 am to
So let's take away the piece of leverage that drives his price up and makes it more likely he gets to campus, pretty much ensuring that he won't.

And while we're doing that, let's completely disregard that if we don't let him sign a football scholarship, another SEC program will and we not only guarantee he doesn't come here but we risk having to compete against him in multiple sports every year.

Cool, great plan.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34177 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:51 am to
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Where would he need to get drafted to be unlikely to go to MLB?
don't know, but he said he expects him to be drafted somewhere around the 10th round
Posted by DTRooster
Belle River, La
Member since Dec 2013
8590 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:53 am to
Comprehend much?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
73626 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:56 am to
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Comprehend much?


More than anyone suggesting we all of a sudden tell Hampton he can't sign a football LOI.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4078 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:59 am to
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So let's take away the piece of leverage that drives his price up and makes it more likely he gets to campus, pretty much ensuring that he won't.

And while we're doing that, let's completely disregard that if we don't let him sign a football scholarship, another SEC program will and we not only guarantee he doesn't come here but we risk having to compete against him in multiple sports every year.

Cool, great plan.



Good lord you are arrogant, ignorant and given several of your posts in this thread, just downright stupid. Don't have time right now, but will explain in simple terms later.
Posted by wildcat81tiger86
Member since Feb 2014
1002 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:07 pm to
My view is that Hampton is worth the risk.

Not sure what LSU's view is.

I would not risk losing the scholly spots on Parker or Pickens even though as player's I would love to have all 3 if they made it into school.

Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
73626 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Good lord you are arrogant, ignorant and given several of your posts in this thread, just downright stupid. Don't have time right now, but will explain in simple terms later.


I don't need you to explain your stupid plan in simpler terms. It will still be stupid. It involves potentially insulting a kid with options.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17254 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:31 pm to
I don't see how the baseball LOI is an insult to him.

It simply locks him into LSU and prevents our competition from snatching him up, for any sport including football.

And if he does show up and plays, at that time he's awarded a full ride scholarship in football.

If he does not attend, it's just a lost baseball LOI and we didn't lose any spots for football. <-- the whole point

Worth noting that if on baseball scholarship, and plays football, it counts as a football scholarship (highest grossing sport gets the "counter").
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
73626 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:34 pm to
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I don't see how the baseball LOI is an insult to him.


You don't see how changing what was already agreed upon would be insulting?
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17254 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:54 pm to
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You don't see how changing what was already agreed upon would be insulting?
It doesn't change anything for him. At all.

having a baseball LOI does not prevent him from playing football.

You don't even have to have a LOI to receive financial aid or be on team. It is not required.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
73626 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:07 pm to
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It doesn't change anything for him. At all.


It goes from "You're locked in" to "We'll figure it out later."

Meanwhile, Auburn and Florida and Ole Miss are still offering to lock him in and not telling him they'll figure it out later.

And those other schools aren't all of a sudden changing an agreement three years in the making.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
29190 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:17 pm to
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Gotcha. But, hopefully, you can now see why we, the ignorant masses, are easily swayed when it comes to this. It's not that we don't want to listen...it's that we don't know who to listen to, or what to believe.


When it comes to the baseball draft listen to Project. He’s the Voltiger of LSU baseball. Maybe not with inside sources but just the sheer amount of research he does.

I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about baseball but Project schools me on multiple things every year
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
29190 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

doesn't change anything for him. At all.


It changes everything for him with the MLB draft.

It costs much more money to buy a high school player out of a football LOI.

It’s an insult when one has been promised and it’s yanked out from under him.

Then he could go to the minors with much less money than he should have, go to the school that insulted him by changing their end of the deal or go to a school he didn’t really want to be at.

Don’t act like it changes nothing for him. It changes everything and it’s a shitty thing to do.

Signing day is not a risk less event. Honor your word and hope for the best.

I’d much rather risk a scholarship on Hampton than fricking Rodney Sopsher
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17254 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:45 pm to
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It costs much more money to buy a high school player out of a football LOI.

It’s an insult when one has been promised and it’s yanked out from under him.
so MLB is going to buy him out of something that is voluntary and not even required to get financial aid?

An LOI must be accompanied by a written scholarship offer.

A scholarship offer does not have to have a LOI.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11184 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:50 pm to
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It goes from "You're locked in" to "We'll figure it out later."

No. They're not saying "we'll figure it out later" they're saying you have a spot, but we're not accepting your LOI until you make your baseball decision, so we can use your spot next year if you decide to go to baseball.

It doesn't impact his negotiating leverage either, since at anytime this summer he can just take the football scholarship. I don't think anyone on here is suggesting we sign him to baseball and the still take a full 25 in football.

There's absolutely nothing to figure out later.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
20946 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

I would sign him to a baseball LOI with the caveat that he can't report until fall camp.


You cannot play football on a baseball scholarship. Youcan play baseball on a football scholarship. This is another anti bama NCAA rule. Bear used to sign guys to swimming schollies to play football and hence oversign.
If you are going to play football you have to be on a football scholarship or straight up walkon
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4078 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:09 pm to
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I don't need you to explain your stupid plan in simpler terms. It will still be stupid. It involves potentially insulting a kid with options.



My solution gives him everything he wants. Football is there; baseball is there. The only thing it changes is that instead of bonding with his maybe football teammates and starting to change his body in prep for maybe football for 2 months, he can focus on improving his definite baseball skills and giving this life changing decision the attention it deserves. An intelligent agent could use this to his advantage.

He will know if we betrayed him if we didn't retain a signing space for him. He will have all the leverage he will need to negotiate. Everyone will know you're full of shite.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4078 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

You cannot play football on a baseball scholarship. Youcan play baseball on a football scholarship. This is another anti bama NCAA rule. Bear used to sign guys to swimming schollies to play football and hence oversign.
If you are going to play football you have to be on a football scholarship or straight up walkon



And in what weird universe does my proposal violate this? You can't play football or baseball and be on scholarship until you actually show up. When he shows up he will be on a football scholarship and count against football.
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